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John Kirby

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2014, 07:30 PM »
Do you have a pot (rectangle or oval) about twice as wide as the grow pot and 2-4 " deep or so. Too deep, but will give you room to grow. And like Bill said good coarse bonsai mix, you will
Be bare rooting the tree to remove the nursery mix.  Don't forget to tie the tree in to the pot really well. I would personally go shallower, but it can be a bit of a shovk the first time (more for you than the tree....).
 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2014, 07:39 PM »
Ok got it thanks. 
 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2014, 11:29 PM »
Bare root
 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2014, 11:30 PM »
Nebari
 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2014, 11:31 PM »
In Anderson pot
 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2014, 11:33 PM »
I'm still interested in any input. And, I appreciate it tooooo!
 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2014, 06:22 AM »
Why did you select that planting angle and such a large container?
 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2014, 07:22 AM »
I thought I needed a larger pot to start off with .  It ended up at that angle mostly by accident.  I was paying more attention to the roots and nebari than trunk. 
It was my first time repotting solo.  Should I take it out and start over? 
 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2014, 05:07 PM »
I would
 

LarryAldrich

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2014, 05:23 PM »
Bill
What size pot would you recommend?  I have some terra cotta pots that I have prepped with extra holes and drainage.  I am under the impression that it should not go in an actual bonsai pot until it's more established as a bonsai.  Is that correct? 

Thanks
Larry
 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2014, 05:37 PM »
Larry, Bonsai NW has their pot sale this weekend 20% off. go pick up a glazed oval, you should be able to judge if your root mass will fit.
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William N. Valavanis

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2014, 10:49 PM »
Larry, as I said earlier, an oversized bonsai container would be best. You will take better care of the tree if it's in a good container. As to the size, just slightly larger than the root ball. Too big is not good.


Good luck!

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2014, 11:29 PM »
Bill,

Would you care to elaborate as to why too big is not good? I was under the impression the tree is under development and the anderson flat would provide the room for just that

Thanks, I'm trying to learn

 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2014, 10:48 AM »
There is nothing wrong with Anderson flats, they are ideal, but for this small maple it's too large. They are good for collected large material or good size nursery stock.

Also the Anderson flat is rectangular with corners. I've found plants grow better in round container so the roots go around rather than stop and turn a corner. Have you ever noticed that better bonsai containers often have lines scored into the clay pointing down? They are to guide the roots down towards the bottom of the container. There is usually more moisture down low in the soil mix.

I don't like to let the root run too far, that's why I prefer a smaller container. Plus the extra soil will hold too much water. I've found the trees develop a bit quicker if they fill the container with roots, not running. But, that's just my experience and preference.

Deep containers are also better to develop quicker growth. Training roots for a fine quality bonsai is more than just planting a tree in a pot, there are many elements not visible to the untrained eye which must be considered.

Bill

Photo below is of a Trident maple completely container grown in a shallow bonsai container for a few decades. There is no real shortcut for developing fine quality bonsai, although most people try, including me. But time, dedication and the knowledge/skill is necessary. Plus it's fun to watch the trees develop.
 

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Re: Acer palmatum 'Koto hime'
« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2014, 01:59 PM »
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/overpot.htm is a good article on overpotting.

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