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Title: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on August 09, 2009, 02:49 AM
 it was repotted in Jan 2005.  then we let it grow freely till May 2005.  it was wired.  the branches were grown without pruning.  i have to remove and rewired 3 time that year.  the process is repeated in 2006 but i did not take the picture
the pic is before and after wiring in 2005

Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on August 09, 2009, 02:52 AM
the owner bought old pot of this tree.  we repotted and cut back in Dec 2006.  it grew very healthy.  at the end of april i wired it again at this stage i prune light only on the tip of strong branches.
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on August 09, 2009, 02:56 AM
since the first year that we work on this tree, we remove all flower buds off. 
in 2008 we let it bloom.  after the new shoots elongate, we pruned it back to 4-5 leaves.  in fall(november in the bay area) when the leaves change color, i pulled them off and prune it lightly for the show in 2009. 
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on August 09, 2009, 02:59 AM
we cut it back and repot after the show.  we wired new shoots again.  this is the pic of the tree taken last month- July
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: ken duncan on August 09, 2009, 07:57 AM
Hi Boon,
I love the show that Winter berries put on, this one is extra nice.
Was this tree imported?
Ken
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: AlexV on August 09, 2009, 11:45 AM
At the 2009 BIB show that tree lit up the entire room.  Pictures are nice but really don't do it justice.  In a formal display it practically glows.  If there is one tree I would like to see more mature examples of in this country it would be Ilex Serrata.  If I remember correctly this tree was imported a very long time ago.

Thank you for the pruning/wiring breakdown Boon, it is very helpful.  Now that you have the main branch structure in place are you still wiring all the new growth?  Or just pruning for ramification?  Is this pruning different than that you would do for a non flowering/fruiting species like trident maple?  I love seeing the development of trees over the course of years, thanks again for sharing.

Alex V
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on August 09, 2009, 10:59 PM
Hi Boon,
I love the show that Winter berries put on, this one is extra nice.
Was this tree imported?
Ken

Ken,
yes, it is imported.  probably about 10 years ago.  it came from grove way nursery in hayward, ca.
Boon
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on August 09, 2009, 11:07 PM
At the 2009 BIB show that tree lit up the entire room.  Pictures are nice but really don't do it justice.  In a formal display it practically glows.  If there is one tree I would like to see more mature examples of in this country it would be Ilex Serrata.  If I remember correctly this tree was imported a very long time ago.

Thank you for the pruning/wiring breakdown Boon, it is very helpful.  Now that you have the main branch structure in place are you still wiring all the new growth?  Or just pruning for ramification?  Is this pruning different than that you would do for a non flowering/fruiting species like trident maple?  I love seeing the development of trees over the course of years, thanks again for sharing.

Alex V

Hi Alex,
I agree it was very nice at the show.  it was shown at Yamato show in 2004.  i started to work on it in 2005.  we regrew those branches.  only stub of the main branches are kept.  and then new apex was selected. 
we cut it back old branches, weak branches, and thick branches after the show.  then we grew new branches again.  at this stage we do not have as many new branches to wire.   
yes pruning is different from trident maple.  trident can be defoliate 2-4 times a year.  we never defoliate this tree.  we do not let it fruit every year either.  leaving the fruit on the tree, it will delay the branch development.  fruit baring can take a lot of energy.  we will let it fruit once every 2 - 3 year.
Boon
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: mcpesq817 on August 10, 2009, 12:44 PM
Fantastic tree - thank you very much for sharing.
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: bonsaikc on August 10, 2009, 02:03 PM
I, too, was just in awe of this beautiful tree. Even more so when Boon suggested it was only exported from Japan because it had pruning scars on it and therefore would not be prized in Japan.

Boon, these progressions of trees are incredible, especially when I have seen the final product. Thank you for posting!

Chris
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: AlexV on August 10, 2009, 03:09 PM
I have also heard pruning scars do not heal well on these.  I wonder, if growing one in the ground from cutting, should branches you know will eventually need to be removed, be removed early to prevent the large scars?  It seems like there should be a balance point between having enough branches to thicken the trunk in a reasonable time frame and also being left with a relatively scar free trunk. 
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: bonsaikc on August 11, 2009, 03:30 PM
I just realized I should post a photo of the entire display here! Here is a photo from above as the tree was sitting in the queue to be loaded onto the truck the morning of the show, and a shot of the display as shown at the exhibit.
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on August 11, 2009, 10:11 PM
Fantastic tree - thank you very much for sharing.
thank you and you're welcome
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on August 11, 2009, 10:14 PM
I have also heard pruning scars do not heal well on these.  I wonder, if growing one in the ground from cutting, should branches you know will eventually need to be removed, be removed early to prevent the large scars?  It seems like there should be a balance point between having enough branches to thicken the trunk in a reasonable time frame and also being left with a relatively scar free trunk. 

you are correct.  the growers grow lots of them.  some do better job than the others. 
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on August 11, 2009, 10:15 PM
I just realized I should post a photo of the entire display here! Here is a photo from above as the tree was sitting in the queue to be loaded onto the truck the morning of the show, and a shot of the display as shown at the exhibit.

Chris,
Thanks for posting those pictures.
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: Jeff Lahr on August 12, 2009, 12:22 AM
I just realized I should post a photo of the entire display here! Here is a photo from above as the tree was sitting in the queue to be loaded onto the truck the morning of the show, and a shot of the display as shown at the exhibit.

Thanks for posting the display photos, Chris. It is a larger tree than I first imagined. I am very ignorant about displays. Is there a specific reason that a scroll was not used? Would it be considered unnecessary? (The little pine is cute, too).
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: AlexV on August 12, 2009, 10:50 AM
For chuhin size trees (12"-18") a 3 point display (meaning 3 objects in the display) is usually used, composing a vast number of possible combination's.  The owner chose a smaller tree and an accent plant as his two other points.  He could have used a scroll and an accent plant, or a scroll and a suiseki or a suiseki and an accent plant or a truck load of other combination's.  The goal is to fill up the display space, and so long as each piece is of sufficient quality (which all 3 of these are) it is really up to the person doing the display to decide what they want to present along with the main tree.  Often deciding what pieces will accompany your main tree can either really set off your display, or dull it down if the wrong companions are used.  Honestly that is my favorite part of a show, is deciding which trees go with which accents/scrolls etc.  Hope this helps.

Alex

Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: Petit-arbre on May 20, 2010, 10:36 AM
boon,

I need a precision
When you wired the ilex in May and June July or August: do you make a cut at the same time or do you let the entire shoot.
I understand that you do just wired the first 10 cm of the shoot but I do not know if you reduce also the shoot to 6 or 8 leaves for example.

In the second wiring, what did you wire?
> the rest of the branch wired a month before?
>the same branch: you remove wiring and rewired the same branch because of the risk that the wire cut the branch?
> or new shoots that are appeared on the branch after a cut?

I am not sure to understand very well what you explains sorry
but beautiful tree...
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on May 20, 2010, 11:34 AM
boon,

I need a precision
When you wired the ilex in May and June July or August: do you make a cut at the same time or do you let the entire shoot.
I understand that you do just wired the first 10 cm of the shoot but I do not know if you reduce also the shoot to 6 or 8 leaves for example.

In the second wiring, what did you wire?
> the rest of the branch wired a month before?
>the same branch: you remove wiring and rewired the same branch because of the risk that the wire cut the branch?
> or new shoots that are appeared on the branch after a cut?

I am not sure to understand very well what you explains sorry
but beautiful tree...

The first 3 years during growing season, no shoots were cut they were all let grow.  Wire cut in within 4-6 weeks.  Wire was removed and re wire 3 times the first year.  twice the second and third year.
4th year, light wiring is done again.  Owner let some fruits on.
In fall I cut back to 2-4 buds.  When I wire I keep only 2 branches on each end. 
We repot this tree in December.  The owner chose to do it early.  Weather is mild here in the bay area.
In 2008, in may it is cut to 6-8 leaves.  No wire in 2008.  We let it fruit.  It is shown in Jan 2009.
Fruiting flowering trees need more leaves to feed the fruits and flowers.
I hope this help.
Boon
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on May 24, 2010, 01:30 AM
this is the work that is done today.  we thin some branches out.  the first 1 or 2 small leaves at the base of the branches were pulled.   long branches were cut to 6-8 leaves.  some branches were wired.
before pic
close up of the flowers
finished
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: Petit-arbre on May 24, 2010, 05:11 AM
Thanks boon for the explanation !
Title: Re: Winter Berry
Post by: boon on May 24, 2010, 11:04 PM
Thanks boon for the explanation !

you're welcome