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Yenling83

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What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« on: March 14, 2014, 07:17 PM »
I'm wondering what a few good or your favorite types of Camelia are for Bonsai?  And what season do they bloom? 

I would like to purchase a couple types to eventually air layer to create new trees.  I'd like a some what hardy variety, with smaller flowers.  Thanks
 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2014, 09:44 PM »
Sasanqua
 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2014, 10:32 PM »
Cam Too and Camellia Forest are the best suppliers.  Smaller flowers are generally better unless it's a large bonsai.  Wakaebisu is nice.
 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2014, 11:12 PM »
Thank you both for the info.  Is there any specific Sasanqua varieties that you think would work well? Would any Sasanqua varieties bloom in or still have flowers in late winter/early spring like when the BIB or Kokufu show happens?  Or if I wanted to show a Camellia in Jan, should I be looking at japonicas instead? If Japonicas, any recommendations for specific varieties?  I think i'm going to make an order form Camellia forest thanks!  
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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2014, 10:18 AM »
Waka-ebisu is my favorite for a cultivar.  Frankly, the wild red flowered C. japonica is what I prefer.  Got to find one with smaller flowers though.  This is a Waka-ebisu I helped Mansei-en load at the Kokofu-ten a few years ago.  The flowers are longer and narrow even when open as opposed to most that are wide and flat.  Double flowering varieties and not as good unless you want to go Hollywood flashy.  There is a white colored Waka-ebisu, but if you find it in America, call me.....
 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2014, 11:42 AM »
Thank you very much for the info Owen!  I prefer non-flashy.  So just to clarify does camellia forest carry the wild red flowered C. Japonica or Waka-edisu?  I think the answer is no.



 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2014, 02:27 PM »
Not sure. Try Cam Too.  Camellia Forest does have about 300 other cultivars and species......  For your zone, you can get some pretty cool ones.  Check out their catalog and "friend" them on Facebook.  They post a lot on the book.
 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2014, 06:50 PM »
I have a camellia sasanqua 'yuletide' that I'm working with. Acquired it 3 years ago during a beginners class with Bill Valavanis. Flowers are somewhat large and gaudy (see images) but I like them. It generally starts blooming for me  between Thanksgiving and Christmas, and continues sporadically for a couple of months. Plant has a long way to go, maybe when it's a bit larger and fuller the flowers will seem better in proportion. Maybe not  :) it is what it is, a little piece of Virginia (where we used to live) in upstate New York.

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2014, 10:14 PM »
I have a very small Camellia lutchuensis that i am starting a long journey with. It is just  getting close to blooming. Small leaves and simple flowers and scented. 20 years from now i might post it. Try google.
 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2014, 11:43 PM »
Is that species the same as C. transareninsis?  I had two that I tested in my zone.  Tested as in past tense as they are not looking happy as of now.  We'll see if the leaves fall and it buds again.

C. s. 'Yuletide' is a good candidate that one has great potential.  Nicely done.  The flowers are smaller than average.

Yengling, I'm not sure where to get the wild form of C. japonica save a seed distributor like Sheffield or Schumacher.  Maybe Ebay? The latter I do not prefer as the seed could be 10 years old.  Good seed vendors tell you the provenance of the seed and it's generally best to buy seed lots from climate zones colder than yours.
 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2014, 10:59 AM »
Owen, i couldn't find any information on your species until i found Camellia transarisanensis. Check your spelling. No, they are different according to taxonomist.

Yenling, look for many species out there that will have smaller flowers. lutchuensis is beautiful and fragrant. I'm not sure which one will be blooming in your area at your time frame. Best to find a local nursery source.
 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2014, 03:31 AM »
I did look at Camelia Forest's website. Lots of nice stuff. They have many C. japonica cultivars, some are listed as having small red flowers. Check out this one, Korean Fire, a pure C. japonica, cold hardy, red and small flower to boot.

http://www.camforest.com/Korean_Fire_p/c-kfire3g.htm

a dwarf hybrid, with small red flowers http://www.camforest.com/Night_Rider_p/c-nightr1qt.htm

also a dwarf, only 3 foot tall, a C. oleifera hybrid - http://www.camforest.com/Camellia_X_Winter_s_Rose_p/c-winrosetlc.htm

There are quite a few cultivars listed as having small flowers, more than a dozen. You have to read the descriptions to get flower size. Definitely worth the look. They also have a lot of Camellia species too. And Magnolias, and Ume.
 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2014, 03:04 PM »
I was told C. transnokoensis and transarinensis were different.  One probably has a mm longer stamen or something.
 

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Re: What are some good Camelia types for Bonsai?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2014, 06:33 AM »
I live in a small upland rainforest at 4,000 ft first settled by Japanese farmers who brought, among other plants, old camellia varieties with names lost to the mists of time. Most have small flowers and leaves and have become trees. I do a lot of ground/air/layering and spend a lot of time looking for trunks and branches with interesting movement. Mainly on maples, camellias and Metrosideros polymorpha, the principle forest tree here and in Hawaii Volcano's National Park 5 minutes from my home. Unfortunately with camellia,  finding an interesting branch with any thickness is a rare event, but I'm always looking. ;) I have a few that show promise but if I were young I'd wire branches and wait a few years before layering.