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General Category => Fruiting and Flowering Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: Yenling83 on March 17, 2013, 03:19 PM

Title: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Yenling83 on March 17, 2013, 03:19 PM
Are there any US native trees that flower in fall or winter that could be good candidates for bonsai?
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: JRob on March 17, 2013, 03:33 PM
There are 3 species of Witch-Hazel native to North America that flower late winter that might have possibilities. I love Witch-hazel for the landscape and feel that they are under utilized. I've considered trying to use them in bonsai but have not yet.

JRob
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Minogame on March 21, 2013, 03:26 PM
Yenling, since you are in California, a native next to you might be Ribes malvaceum Chaparral Currant. I don't have any experience with it. It would be interesting to try in your area.
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: rockm on March 22, 2013, 01:19 PM
Shadblow (Amelanchier canadensis) flowers so early in spring that it might as well be winter. It's a beautiful tree that isn't well-used in bonsai. It's very common throughout the eastern U.S. though
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Dan W. on March 23, 2013, 03:43 AM
Eastern redbud may qualify as late winter/early spring?
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: coh on March 23, 2013, 08:32 AM
The only native I can think of is witch hazel. I've seen photos of bonsai specimens, but have never seen on in person. Redbud is definitely a spring blooming tree...fairly early but definitely spring.

If you can stretch your definition slightly to include some non-native but commonly found plants, you could include camellia...some of which bloom in the fall and winter. I have a young camellia sasanqua 'yuletide' bonsai that blooms in November/December.

Chris
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Jay on March 23, 2013, 09:37 AM
Going with the 'stretch'...Winter Jasmine. Available everywhere as far as I know and it blooms in the late winter early spring...
Jay
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Minogame on March 23, 2013, 11:46 AM
The native question always bothers me. While I can understand it's importance in the landscape or in creating a mood, do most people who talk natives really know one from another? A local sensei recommends natives for accents, but then displays an invasive weed from Europe. I wouldn't want to introduce that to my garden. Finding a true native that blooms in fall or "winter" would be easier in a climate zone above 8, although the blooming of the plant may signal the start of that areas early spring. The witch hazel would be a good native for readers on the US east coast. Why would a SW coast person think of that as native? Wouldn't a look into   Mexico's flora be more realistic ? Lucky the person who can call the Camellia native. Or perhaps Daphane bholua?
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Owen Reich on March 23, 2013, 01:28 PM
I suppose "native to where?" is a good question.  I love our natives (to North America) and try to use them as much as possible.  The Native Americans took plants with them all over this continent and we have a few species of Yucca and Opuntia (prickly pear cactus) that occur in Tennessee.  One good one is called Chickasaw Plum.  It's Prunus angustifolia.  I'd call it a good native substitute for Prunus mume as it has small white flowers and craggy bark.  It too was likely moved around by the locals as it occurs from central Florida up into New England from what I've read.

Deciduous winter flowering species are my favorite and I'm on the hunt for more.  Hamamalis vernalis, our native Witchhazel is a nice one.  Amelanchair arborea, our native Service Berry is another as RockM said.  As for others native to this side of the continent, there are a few that I haven't seen used for bonsai much.  I'm looking into the matter now.  I believe there are a few species of Hawthorne that flower in winter.


As for kusamono, this is another matter I've been looking into.  Visit native plant nurseries throughout the year as I do and you can see some interesting stuff; the flowers on many are short-lived for sure.  I've been looking into some native mustards and other cedar glade plants that grow on granite out-croppings. 
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Yenling83 on May 24, 2013, 02:20 PM
Owen

Sorry Native to the U.S.  There are are few reasons why i'm interested in Natives, mainly because the possibility of collecting a specimen.   I am also searching for Native's that would flower during late winter.  Something similar to Ume would be great, there's one in CA called Prunus Subcordata that I have, but it's not that impressive. Hope to have a better one in the future. 
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: fibonaccifemme on May 25, 2013, 01:00 AM
Not really a tree but what about ceanothus? It blooms in California in January.
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: plantmanky on May 25, 2013, 07:51 AM
There is a relatively decent list of North American native plants that can be used for bonsai on the ABS website.  It includes both reported (ones used by an ABS member as bonsai) and ones that have not been reported.  It also includes links to images or information about the specific plant material.  The link to the document is http://absbonsai.org/bonsai-articles/bonsai-essentials/104-abs-list-of-north-american-plants-used-for-bonsai (http://absbonsai.org/bonsai-articles/bonsai-essentials/104-abs-list-of-north-american-plants-used-for-bonsai)

R
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Yenling83 on August 29, 2013, 11:28 AM
There is a relatively decent list of North American native plants that can be used for bonsai on the ABS website.  It includes both reported (ones used by an ABS member as bonsai) and ones that have not been reported.  It also includes links to images or information about the specific plant material.  The link to the document is http://absbonsai.org/bonsai-articles/bonsai-essentials/104-abs-list-of-north-american-plants-used-for-bonsai (http://absbonsai.org/bonsai-articles/bonsai-essentials/104-abs-list-of-north-american-plants-used-for-bonsai)

R

Very nice, thank you!
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: William N. Valavanis on August 29, 2013, 05:11 PM
I did not know there are three native Witch hazels in North America. What are they?

I'm familiar and grow the American witch hazel, Hamamelis virginiana and have read about H. vernalis which is no longer in cultivation. What is the third species?

Bill
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: tmmason10 on August 29, 2013, 05:59 PM
Looks like one of our forum members has a very nice Chickasaw plum. Anyone else working with the species?

http://absbonsai.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=107 (http://absbonsai.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=107)
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Owen Reich on August 29, 2013, 08:45 PM
I purchased one from Paul and love it.  The American ume  :).  I'll post photos once I put it in a container he made next year.
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: tmmason10 on August 29, 2013, 08:53 PM
I purchased one from Paul and love it.  The American ume  :).  I'll post photos once I put it in a container he made next year.

That was my next question, is if anyone might have one to sell. Are they pretty much the same hardiness as ume Owen?
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Owen Reich on August 29, 2013, 10:46 PM
From what I understand, they occur from Maine to central Florida.  Paul has a number of nice ones but I'll leave that to him.  Schley's Bonsai in DeLand, Fl has some 3 gallons available.  I'm sure there are more but I've seen theirs.
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Yenling83 on January 20, 2014, 04:21 PM
From what I understand, they occur from Maine to central Florida.  Paul has a number of nice ones but I'll leave that to him.  Schley's Bonsai in DeLand, Fl has some 3 gallons available.  I'm sure there are more but I've seen theirs.

Very interesting, would love to see your tree Owen, or Paul's.  Not sure exactly who Paul is. 
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: Judy on January 20, 2014, 04:25 PM
I think he's referring to Paul Katich, a wonderful potter, bonsai artist, and a member here.
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: scereghino on April 22, 2016, 11:25 PM
Ericameria nauseosa, otherwise known as rabbit brush.
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: TonySuiseki on May 06, 2016, 12:04 PM
Hi Yenling,
there are a couple of flowering trees native to California that could work:
Manzanita - lots of varietals that you can choose from based on your very specific area - touchy to root pruning if I recall from limited past experience.
Califonia redbud - Cercis Canadensis - might bloom a little later in spring..gorgeous flowers on bare wood...you can see lots of them growing around Lake Berryessa.
also another couple USA natives could be:
American persimmon - Dyospyros Virginiana   not sure of history growing them in California  also might be late blooming
Texas Ebony - Ebenopsis ebano   if you live in a very dry part of California this could do well -

Hope the above ideas help in your quest.
Title: Re: US natives that flower in fall or winter?
Post by: bwaynef on May 06, 2016, 03:03 PM
Manzanita - lots of varietals that you can choose from based on your very specific area - touchy to root pruning if I recall from limited past experience.

I believe GregB (Brenden?) has done work with Manzanita and may've figured them out.