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SHIMA1

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Pyracantha root over rock
« on: October 01, 2014, 04:23 AM »
This ishitsuki came to my garden about 20 years ago after a major quake threw it to the cement smashing the pot and breaking many branches. Wish I'd gotten to it before the roots were formed, Oh well. Still waiting for some berry's to green up, but not many this year compared to last.
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 07:23 AM »
Nice.  Wish there was more contrast in color between root and rock, though it may just be this shot.  Good shape, pot color compliments berry color very well.
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 08:29 AM »
Agree!  Love the berries, wish I could see more root, but cool tree.
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 08:59 AM »
Still waiting for some berry's to green up, but not many this year compared to last.
They change from green to red?

Wish there was more contrast in color between root and rock, though it may just be this shot.

I wonder if displaying the rock/roots wet would provide more contrast.
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 08:09 PM »
Still waiting for some berry's to green up, but not many this year compared to last.
They change from green to red?

Sure. See the green berries on the top? I also pull at least 50% of the leaves.



Wish there was more contrast in color between root and rock, though it may just be this shot.

I wonder if displaying the rock/roots wet would provide more contrast.
Well, could be, I'll try it. I've tried everything I can think of to remove the grey. Lime sulphur, wire brush. The roots are, however, boring. I've thought of inducing roots from the base of the trunk with a cut, hormone and moss but that's as far as I've gotten.
 

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Creating nebari on shohin pyracantha
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 08:43 PM »
While I'm at it, here's another pyracantha project.
As all can see, the base was pathetic and something had to be done.
Now it's full of berries (green) waiting to show off in a month or so.
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2014, 08:20 AM »
Great transformation!
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2014, 10:11 AM »
How much time passed between the 3rd and 4th pictures?  That's a beautiful tree.  I really like how full, yet open the crown is.
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2014, 03:39 PM »
Thanks Judy and Wayne.
Wayne, around 2 1/2  years from the surgery to now. The 2nd repot was a first experience with turface. I'd never used it or been exposed to it and I liked the color and not having to cope with white (pumice). Well, never again. I thought I'd lost the little guy. Here are  pics of the roots after less than a year in turface. And the first berries this April after repotting back to pumice. Whew!
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2014, 03:51 PM »
 Well, never again. I thought I'd lost the little guy. Here are  pics of the roots after less than a year in turface.
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The pictures of the leaves look green and has decent root grow, please tell what wrong with the turface.  I could not find a decent sized pumice or larva rocks where I live unless have to pay for realy expensive shipping through ebay; so I have to resort to turface, should I drop it and looking for another growing medium?  Thanks.
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2014, 04:23 PM »
Van, I had pulled off many dead mushy roots before taking the picture. And many of what you see are dead. Michael Hagedorn wrote about turface on his blog which got 113 responses.
Pumice was not available here either but a garden center was kind enough to bring some in. You might try asking. Black Gold was the brand I was using. Very clean and screens to large, medium and fine.

Here's the link to Michael's blog: http://crataegus.com/2013/11/24/life-without-turface/
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2014, 08:27 AM »
Thanks for the infos and the links.

Van
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2014, 08:42 AM »
Pumice was not available here either but a garden center was kind enough to bring some in. You might try asking. Black Gold was the brand I was using. Very clean and screens to large, medium and fine.

Do you have any other info on Black Gold?  Could you post a picture of the bag (and a smattering of the pumice)?
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2014, 01:17 PM »
Bruce, wonderful transformation. You have greatly improved the tree. Well done.

About turface. Potting media debates are endless, I'm not intending to provoke a re-hash of the whole issue. Michael Hagadorn's observation on the properties of Turface are largely correct, but he goes to the extreme on his conclusions. The manufacturer's specifications and use recommendations state it should not be used as more than 20% of the growing mix.

I've used turface for many years, with good results only when it is a minor component of the mix, meaning less than 20% of the total. Most media, when used as single component media have compaction issues. A media that is a blend of different shaped particles seems to generally be superior to single component mixes. As you said, Turface has a pleasant color as a bonsai media, consider using it as a topping to hide the bright white of the pumice.

My standard mix is pumice, crushed granite, akadama if I have it on hand, pine bark, and turface, with the pumice and granite making up the majority of the mix, the other items being somewhere in the 10% range each. Seems to work well. I sift for uniform particle size. Seems to work in my climate. Climate is a big factor also, so different components work better in dry climates, some components work better in wetter climates. There are thousands of different variations on a theme. My choices are based on the fact that I can get all of these from retailers within 10 miles of the house, so if I run out, I can quickly buy more. The exception is akadama and kanuma, both are logistical problems for me to get, I have to plan ahead for them, so sometimes I end up skipping their use due to not being on hand.

Ready availability at reasonable cost is my principal factor for choosing media components once I understand how to use them. 
 

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Re: Pyracantha root over rock
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2014, 01:36 PM »
One more thought on media

Pumice is excellent, one of the few media components that really does grow good roots even when used as a single component media. Nothing wrong with it other than color. Top dressing with a different media for show is one way to handle it. Since you live on a volcanic island, pumice and different grades of lava should be inexpensive to get. Would one of the darker colored crushed lava be available for use as a component or top dressing?