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Joshua Hanzman

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I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« on: November 11, 2013, 01:00 AM »
I have found Chojubai for sale, and thought I would spread the news to any Chojubai fanatics out there, this is my far and away favorite species, I am completely captivated by it and will definitely be captivated for the rest of my life. This is especially quirky as I do not even own 1 :) However, in my defense, I have ordered 4 from Telperion farms and they are coming this spring! Very reasonably priced, and extremely kind courteous staff. If you don't know Telperion, they are apparently growing Chojubai for Hagedorn, and have extra, but not many, so buy now! Or wait two seasons until I start taking root cuttings :)

Also, I really love looking at this species, so I thought perhaps if we could dedicate this thread to everything Chojubai, please post anything you have in terms of this species- pictures, information, sales areas, news, gossip (Chojubai has a crush on Joshua, what who told you!? Aww shucks, no way)

I'll start it off with some pictures and information about the species.

Hagedorn also loves these fantastic trees, and has great information on them, here is some of that information-

http://crataegus.com/tag/chojubai/

« Last Edit: November 11, 2013, 01:02 AM by Joshua Hanzman »
 

Leo in NE Illinois

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Re: I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2013, 11:55 PM »
Ahhhhhh ... Chojubai. They are easy to fall in love with.

Sadly, in my haphazard way of doing things I accidentally lost my red chojubai. It was a small 2.5 inch pot cutting from Brent at Evergreen. But I do have a fair number of other flowering quinces left and plant to replace it soon. Thanks for the heads up on Teleperion Farms, they are also my go to source for Satsuki azalea whips.

Don't dismiss the other cultivars of flowering quinces, many are quite worthy of that special spot on a bench. I love the vigor and easy flowering I am getting out of my white chojubai. Only one year from a 2.5 inch pot and it has flowered with a nice flush in spring and a few singles off and on through the year.

All the following are available from Evergreen Gardenworks and other places. From Evergreen you can get inexpensive cuttings, but they will need time to develop. Or you can buy from his specimen catalog.

Another red that is very useful for small shohin is the cultivar Hime. Small leaves and nice orange-red flowers, all small in proportion. Very nice. Well worth growing. It has fine twigging.

Kan Toyo has small leaves too, and relatively fine branching. Its flowers are multicolored like Toyo Nishiki, but on a smaller, more shohin appropriate scale.

The contorted red and contorted white are really good. Can be grown to larger plants, or kept small. Their zigzag and twist makes for nice branch structures. The contorted white in particular has good vigor. It should develop fast for you. (fast is of course a relative term, but it will be nice quicker than chojubai red, because it is a more aggressive grower)

Toyo Nishiki makes a decent medium size tree. You can go large with this one if you like. It will make a trunk with time. I have one with a 2 inch trunk. Still working on the branch structure, but it looks like in time it will be quite nice. Probably best in the 12 inch to 36 inch size range.

Iwai Nishiki - has spectacular deep, dark red fully double flowers. The flowers are big, the leaves are medium, so this one is best for the larger sizes, but like any tree used for bonsai, the ultimate size is up to how much you want to work at keeping it in a certain size range.

There are many others. For shohin the 3 best in my mind are Chojubai red or white, Kan Toyo, and Hime. You can't go wrong with any of them. I think in the long run my contorted white has the potential to become my most interesting tree. Though time will tell.

First picture is a flower from Iwai Nishiki, the second is a young cutting from 'Not Minerva' a delightful soft color.
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Joshua Hanzman

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Re: I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2013, 12:42 AM »
I do like the white one! very delicate looking, the branching is a big part of what I like, and I think I will add this as a species to own, thank you kindly for showing me this. Like I said to your other post Leo, since for some odd reason chojubai lovers are far and few between, please continue to post anything you notice that strikes you as odd in any quince you own's growing habit.

This is of course a pipedream of mine, but I hope to amass a lot of chojubai and one day have walked down the path of enough cuttings to call one a cultivar! But I need to learn more about it. The four I have I will setup 2 for a large term plan, and the others I will use for cuttings primarily. Have you ever ground grown any quince at all? Do you know anything about their long term sustainability? For example, the sustainability for an Azalea is about 150 years correct? While a pine is theoretically essential eternal... Where does Chojubai fall into that category I wonder?
 

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Re: I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2013, 03:22 AM »
It is remarkable how fast they flower. I took some cuttings and they flowered I think before they even had any roots. Had to remove all the flowers.
I have a number of chojubai, and quinces but have no idea what is what.
Perhaps Leo can help with ID. Dont have pictures of all of them but they all have flower buds so I shall post pictures of the rest as soon as they flower for easier ID.
I am trying to make a mame from this one but it is not styled just yet. It has a little fruit.
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Re: I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2013, 03:41 AM »
This is the one I have been making pickle from...that I recently dug out. It was defoliated before transplanting it.
I dont think it is a chojubai since the leaves are larger, but it is a quince.
I would like to ask if anyone knows what it is.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2013, 03:43 AM by Neli »
 

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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2013, 09:51 PM »
From the Blog of Bill. V.
"On our final walk through I’d like to share a few superb bonsai for sale in the vending area. There was a beautiful Chojubai Japanese flowering quince with rough bark. A comprehensive article on this species is forthcoming for International BONSAI."
 

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Re: I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2013, 08:26 PM »
If you can't wait for the new Chojubai article to be published, check out the 2007/NO 1 issue of International BONSAI. It has a four page article discussing cultivars, soil, transplanting, pests, shaping wiring and more.

I now have three Chojubai for sale which will be listed in my web site in a few days. If you are interested now, before they go "public", please contact me privately at:

wnv@internationalbonsai.com

 

Don Blackmond

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Re: I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 06:00 PM »
I have a nice clump chojubai specimen for sale; if you are interested please send me an email.
 

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Re: I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 09:17 PM »
Contact me if you are interested in Chojubai bonsai. I have a pdf file which can be sent immediately. They will be on our web site soon, but here is an opportunity to be first…

Bill

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Joshua Hanzman

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Re: I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2014, 02:50 PM »
Reserved 6 chojubai with Telperion last winter! Getting them delivered as we speak, they might have a few left. I'm very excited about this purchase and wanted to discuss strategy with folks. So I would like to plant a couple in the ground and work on from their, I figure keep 4 or 5 in the ground for 10+ years and I may just have some nice specimens :)

Any other suggestions as far as what to do with the 6 once I get them? Also I plan on using every single branch/root that is cut for propogation, any suggestions? I'll post pictures when they arrive.
 

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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2014, 06:44 PM »
Thanks Bill and Don. I eas able to get 11 & 13 from Bill V and the old clump from Don.

I have a clump thst spent a number of years in the ground. The best chojubai are root cuttings, you might be better served to grow in hood sized comtainers and the proagate from roots .
 

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2014, 07:23 PM »
Thanks Bill and Don. I eas able to get 11 & 13 from Bill V and the old clump from Don.

I have a clump thst spent a number of years in the ground. The best chojubai are root cuttings, you might be better served to grow in hood sized comtainers and the proagate from roots .

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Re: I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2014, 07:28 PM »
Reserved 6 chojubai with Telperion last winter! Getting them delivered as we speak, they might have a few left. I'm very excited about this purchase and wanted to discuss strategy with folks. So I would like to plant a couple in the ground and work on from their, I figure keep 4 or 5 in the ground for 10+ years and I may just have some nice specimens :)

Any other suggestions as far as what to do with the 6 once I get them? Also I plan on using every single branch/root that is cut for propogation, any suggestions? I'll post pictures when they arrive.

Not a good idea about putting them in the ground, they don't do well. 
 

Joshua Hanzman

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Re: I am in love with Chojubai & and I don't care who knows it!
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2014, 11:28 PM »
John just brain storming here, if rooted cuttings work best then maybe a deep water culture? take a look at the abundance of roots on this bad boy, just pick em off and root them? Or is there something I'm not thinking about?

 

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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2014, 01:40 AM »
My article in International Bonsai covers a lot Josh.  They are often ground grown for a while to produce thick trunks in Japan.  The issue is their vigor can often produce too many trunks or thickening at the wrong points.  The ones that I helps create or recreate while studying in Japan were cut back really hard if there were any flaws in the design.  They can die back to the ground if cut back too hard on older branches / trunks.  We can talk about the matter at MABS if you like.  I may even have a few days free.