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noissee

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Collected Gardenia
« on: August 14, 2009, 05:37 PM »
This is the small-leafed variety of Gardenia that was a yard plant for 15 years or so. I dug it up when we moved in 2006. It went straight into this big mica training pot and has been pretty healthy ever since. This picture is from 2006. I will continue to upload some progression photos over the next few days. I am currently air-layering it, and it should be ready for separation in another week or two, so I will be able to top it off with that. I've posted this tree at various stages on various forums over the years, but I've always wanted to have a thread consolidating all of it, so I figured this would be a good place. Plus, I finally got around to figuring out how to resize my pics.
 

noissee

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Re: Collected Gardenia
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2009, 05:44 PM »
This is winter '06 (the door mat gave it away). I had cut it back some, and was considering making this the new front, and having a big round crown shape. This view hid the fact that the branches formed a circle when you looked at it from the side.
 

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Re: Collected Gardenia
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2009, 07:46 PM »
The first pic was 2007 I believe, and I was considering that for a front.
Second pic was 2008, and I had cut it back and repotted it. Root growth was good, and I was able to pretty much bareroot it. After getting it into a well-draining mix I realized that without the old soil, it would need PH adjustment. The new growth was slightly yellow, like it was lacking nitrogen. I tried to give it nitrogen for a month or so, and it did not help. I then learned that if the PH was not right the plant would not be able to utilize the nitrogen in the soil, so I started a regular schedule of fertilizer for acid-loving plants. After a few weeks I started adding nitrogen, and the leaves started looking healthy again. 

 

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Re: Collected Gardenia
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2009, 08:10 PM »
I decided that the bottom half had really great taper, but that top was just a stove-pipe. This spring, 2009, I decided to airlayer the top. Instead of the sphagnum moss and plastic wrap, I used the top of a stack of blank CD's; the case that fits over it. I filled it with chopped pine bark, lava rock, and chopped sphagnum. The layer failed. I took it off, and made sure that I had a nice clean cut at the top part, and re-applied the "pot." This time it is working. There are roots visible through the clear plastic pot, and when I separate it I will post some pictures of that. It has filled out a lot this summer, and I'm still not exactly sure where I'm going with it, but at least now it will be off to a better start. I let a few flowers bloom this spring, and they smelled amazing.
The layered top will be grown out for a few years to gain some taper. I think this – http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http://www.yorozuen.jp/oshirase/nenkanteirejyoho/kutinasisentei/kutinasisentei.htm&sl=ja&tl=en – is where I am planning on ending up with the layered portion.

P.S. I plan on taking some decent pictures for the next postings. I know some of these are kind of irritating with the busy backgrounds.
 

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Re: Collected Gardenia
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2009, 08:45 PM »
Interesting, thanks. John
 

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Re: Collected Gardenia
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 10:44 PM »
I found this picture that i had taken with my phone. I think from late may or june, I can't remember really. Anyways, I'll be posting a few more pictures tomorrow hopefully. I separated the layer last week.
 

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Re: Collected Gardenia
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 08:41 AM »
I have a soft spot for gardenias, but I was of the impression that they were reticent to have their roots worked much ....to include collection.  Can you tell us about what it was growing in when you collected it, what you put it in, ...and any after care or tricks used collecting it?
 

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Re: Collected Gardenia
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 08:56 AM »
I have Collected 3 myself
All were dug from my other in laws that were struggling in hard clay soil. I managed to get a few roots but I thought not enough.
Potted them up and cared for them and they are doing fine 2 years later. Treat them much like any other flowering shrub.

Ken
 

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Re: Collected Gardenia
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 10:38 AM »
This was growing in pretty good soil in my old back yard. It had a fairly compact rootball so it went immediately into this mica training pot. When I first potted it, I only trimmed enough big roots to get it into the pot. I used a highly organic mix initially because they do like moisture and humidity. From what I've heard, I was lucky to have had it growing in good soil in the ground so that most of the roots didn't have to search too far for nutrients. After its first year in this mica pot with an organic soil (not really as free draining as I would like), I mostly bare-rooted it to try to get the old soggy soil out. I actually forgot what I used in the new soil, but it was comparable to turface. I still added a little more organic (bark and compost) than I usually would with most other plants, but I made sure that the water drained through pretty well. Also I added a top layer of pure bark (repti-bark from a pet store). This helped keep humidity and it allowed for increased air flow. I don't think the soil in this pot has ever dried out. It seems to like it though. Maybe if it stops raining today I can take a picture with the layer removed. I am still not sure where to go with this one. It has filled out a lot though, so maybe somebody will see something in it.