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Adair M

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Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« on: July 11, 2014, 11:12 PM »
Here is my shohin Zelkova broom.

The first pic is how it was displayed at the Atlanta Bonsai Society show in mid May.

The second pic shows it defoliated in early June.
 

Adair M

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2014, 11:20 PM »
The first pic below shows it filled back out again. I trimmed it back a little.

The second pic below is tonight before I defoliated for the second time. As you can see, there are some shoots that have extended out of the canopy. You want to let it do that a little so it maintains its vigor, but you have to be careful not to let the branches (twigs) get too fat so they get out if scale.
 

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2014, 11:25 PM »
And these pics are after tonight's defoliation. One without the flash and one with.

It took me about an hour and a half to defoliate this 6 inch tree!
 

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2014, 07:36 AM »
Looks great.  I'd like to see it without the moss, it looks a bit mounded with that moss on it. 

I like your accent plant in the display, what is it?
 

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2014, 03:05 PM »
19 more posts Adair, and you and Judy are tied!

Love this tree.

Sorce.
 

Adair M

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2014, 08:43 PM »
The accent is dwarf horsetail.

There are "poo balls" sitting on the moss!  Yes, it makes it look a bit mounded.

I did not have the poo balls on the tree when it was displayed.

 

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2014, 09:21 PM »
Ahh, I did not think that you would have a mounded tree, just thought the moss got a little over exuberant.  Would love to see the tree without moss, and a shot of the base and nebari, I'm sure it's wonderful.  Thinking of doing an air layer of one, I have several mature ones in my landscape and I hear they do well.

didn't know there was a miniature version of the horsetail!
 

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2014, 10:45 PM »
Actually, it is a little mounded. Shohin it is acceptable to mound the soil a bit since the pots are small.

You'll have to wait until repotting season to see the nebari. The moss covers just about everything right now, and I don't want to remove it in the heat of summer.
 

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2014, 11:58 PM »
I did not know it is acceptable to "mound" soil for shohin bonsaiā€¦. I wonder where that one came from.
 

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2014, 06:42 AM »
I read that somewhere once too.

Where did it come from?
 

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2014, 08:20 AM »
Bill, thanks for adding to the discussion!

My statement about the "mounding" comes from my observations of watching videos produced in Japan about shohin bonsai. We watch them at Boon's Intensives.

They demonstrated repotting, and when they did, I remarked to Boon that they potted higher than what Boon usually teaches. And he said that with shohin, you "can" pot higher (mound) because the pots are so small.

So, I took that to mean it is acceptable to pot a little higher than normal.

Potting high is one of my pet peaves that I usually dislike. Usually, when I see a bonsai with the nebari a inch or two above the rim of the pot it tells me the owner doesn't do proper root work.

But, getting back to the subject at hand, my zelkova does have tall moss which makes it look a little mounded. Should I change the potting so that it sits lower in the pot?  Should I change the pot to a shallower, wider one?  Or should I use a shorter growing moss?

I will go and take a picture of the moss and nebari. Maybe that will help.



 

William N. Valavanis

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2014, 08:34 AM »
Hi Adair,

I don't like mounded bonsai either, of any size. Why not use shorter moss, OR simply cut the tall moss short?

Although very shallow containers are beautiful, they are difficult for those like me who live in colder areas of the world. And, although I don't live in a hot climate, I suppose shallow containers may pose problems with heating up and drying out in their long summer growing periods.

How about having two, or more different containers for each tree? A display container and a growing pot?

Nice Zelkova by the way, good job!

Bill
 

Adair M

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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2014, 09:02 AM »
Bill, good idea about using two pots. Our show is in May, so I could slip pot into the "grow" pot after that. Of course, zelkova brooms look best in winter with no leaves!

Anyway, here are shots of the nebari. The poo balls are killing the moss!
 

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2014, 03:41 PM »
I just consulted my 85th Kokufu book after reading this thread. Absolutely every shohin in the back of the book is mounded... except maybe one or two. I personally like the look. It gives the feeling of a tree growing on a hillside.

Great Zelkova by the way!
 

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Re: Zelkova Broom Style maintenance
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2014, 05:18 PM »
Here are the before and after pics of the zelkova fall work. I still have to remove the wire before cold weather really sets in. But I want to leave some on so that I can demonstrate the removal technique to my students next week.