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Chrisl

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Another Bald Cypress Question
« on: July 24, 2011, 09:41 AM »
Hi, I didn't want to hijack Dennis' thread, so I need to ask: I agreed with Don, BC's are hardy, but their branches are SO fragile.  How long in years do you wait to wire a branch?  Especially now that I've been pinching the leaves back for ramification?  There's just not a lot of info styling BC's that I've found.
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Re: Another Bald Cypress Question
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2011, 09:35 AM »
I've only been working with BC for a couple of years now, but I havent had any problems wiring branches as they start to lignify.  I don't think you want to wait too long because they thicken up quickly, but too early (when they are very bright green) and you might snap them off at the base.
 

Chrisl

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Re: Another Bald Cypress Question
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2011, 11:13 AM »
mcpesq817, Exactly!  So I guess let them develop a brown bark before wiring.  I am just still so clumsy when it comes to wiring I still break them even after some bark develops.  It's one of my biggest weaknesses in creating bonsais.  But as they say, practice makes perfect ;)
 

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Re: Another Bald Cypress Question
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2011, 08:53 AM »
practicing the wrong technique will make you perfectly wrong, get a teacher (aka a good local club member, someone who has good trees, not just because they are old (like me)), take a workshop with someone who teaches wiring (Boon, matt Ouwinga, etc) or use video (Boon's DVD) or internet sources that actually demonstrate wiring. Wiring is a skill, it must be learned, and can only be learned with good information. I can tell you from my own personal experience, learning how to wire makes a profound difference in what you can do.

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Re: Another Bald Cypress Question
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2011, 10:45 AM »
mcpesq817, Exactly!  So I guess let them develop a brown bark before wiring.  I am just still so clumsy when it comes to wiring I still break them even after some bark develops.  It's one of my biggest weaknesses in creating bonsais.  But as they say, practice makes perfect ;)

I recently wired some branches on my BCs that were not completely brown.  I waited until the branches extended quite a bit and thickened up a tad.  Just have to watch the wire as BC branches can thicken pretty quickly, especially those in the apex.  For those branches not in the apex, you have a lot more time to wire them as they don't grow as fast.

One thing a friend that has a lot of experience with BCs mentioned to me is that you can get a rainbow effect at the base of the branch if you try to wire horizontally branches that are growing more vertically, so you have to keep this in mind when you are selecting branches and timing when to get wire on them.  This issue probably comes up with most other species, but it strikes me as a bit more of an issue with BCs the way their branches grow and thicken.
 

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Re: Another Bald Cypress Question
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2011, 10:59 AM »
Thank You John!  You're exactly right.  I've watched Boon's wiring dvd at least 10 times since I got them in May.  I had to re-wire sev. trees that were just awful after seeing how it's supposed to be done.  So at least I've learned now, after doing it wrong for so long, the proper technique; it's just that I'm still not good at it ;)

I think I may still contact Matt as having one look at you wire, and the final wiring job, is invaluable.  The workshops I've attended, which is many, it's always a tree demonstration, or one where you make a bonsai from given material.  Wiring is never been emphasized.  Only now am I realizing it makes a big difference, and esp. challenging on easy to break branches like the BC.

mcpesq817, I basically am starting over on this tree as the branch ramifications were just not good.  I have noticed the strong apical growth and I'll keep a keen eye on the wiring when I get to that point.  Right now, i'm just regrowing new branches and pinching them for better ramification (Thanks to Don Blackman for this technique). 
Funny thing you mentioned the upward, almost straight up growth of some of the new growth.  They are great when you are working to extend the apex, or wanting a taller tree.  But I agree, they seem to be more prevalent in BC's than other trees I've worked on.  (I'm leaving them on right now as I'm attempting for the first time to do an air layer on one of the roots for a better nebari.  Though I'm not sure it'll help or not)

Thank You Guys for the help and inspiration!  Greatly appreciated!
 

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Re: Another Bald Cypress Question
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2011, 11:42 AM »
Does anyone know where I can get say a 1/2"-1" Bald Cypress seedling?  I need to start developing another root on a side of the trunk that has nothing.  I was thinking of planting the seedling near the base, then use an approach graft to work the new root in.  Of course I'm thinking of doing this next spring, but I've not had luck in finding BC seedlings where you don't have to buy in bulk.

Thanks for any guidance!!
Chris
 

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Re: Another Bald Cypress Question
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2011, 10:37 AM »
Brent at www.evergreengardenworks.com has BC seedlings, but the size he has available right now are probably half the width you are looking for.  But they do grow fast, and you can't beat his prices.

He may have some larger stuff not listed in the catalog, you can send him an email with what you are looking for.

- bob
 

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Re: Another Bald Cypress Question
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2011, 12:31 PM »
Thanks cbobgo, his prices are very good!