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Title: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 21, 2010, 01:09 PM
I saw someone posting/asking about live oak tree bonsai on a forum.  Thought I'd post this one.  It was collected about 26 years ago.  Grown to resemble the sprawling canopy oaks of the south, although it needs more thinning and separation of branching.  Its getting there though.  Sorry for the poor photos; its not easy to photograph.  Looks much better in person.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: roelex14 on June 21, 2010, 06:26 PM
you have some truly amazing trees
where do you keep all of these monsters?
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: mcpesq817 on June 22, 2010, 09:48 AM
Hi Don,

Very nice live oak!  I haven't seen too many in bonsai.  Rockm has a really nice live oak that he showed at the National Arboretum last spring - maybe this will nudge him to share his tree  ;D
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: rockm on June 22, 2010, 10:15 AM
This is a KILLER live oak ;D ;D ;D. Shows what can be done with them.-- next to this one, mine would look pathetic... :'( ;D

I'd be interested in knowing the source of this tree. My guess would be that it is not really a southern live oak, but the hardier and tighter leaved upland subspecies that is common in Texas which is Quercus fusiformis or upland live oak. Coastal Southern Live oak is kind of finicky in containers and rather touchy outside its Gulf coast range. Fusiformis is much more forgiving and can stand colder winters...Given the spreading, even nebari and upright trunk, I'd also  guess it might be a nursery source.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: rockm on June 22, 2010, 10:42 AM
"Quercus fusiformis or upland live oak."

Should read "Quercus Fusiformis, or Escarpment Live oak"

http://www.wildflower.org/gallery/result.php?id_image=17927 (http://www.wildflower.org/gallery/result.php?id_image=17927)

Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 22, 2010, 10:52 AM
I'd be interested in knowing the source of this tree.

It is yamadori.  Dug from a river bed in southern Louisiana.  Pearl River, I believe.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: rockm on June 22, 2010, 11:04 AM
Cool. Then it is probably NOT the upland species ;D. Very nice tree.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 22, 2010, 11:10 AM
The leaves are different than the leaves on the trees in the link you posted.  I have several southern live oaks.  The leaves are pretty consistent unless defoliated, then they can reduce well and return more oval in shape with less points.  I will post another soon.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: rockm on June 22, 2010, 11:18 AM
Who was digging these 25 years ago? ;D  Haven't seen that many of them, especially well developed specimens like this one. Usually the trees I have run across have been cut downs from large nursery trees and not all that graceful or interesting.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 22, 2010, 11:22 AM
It was dug by Tim O'Neil.  He made it.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: rockm on June 22, 2010, 11:30 AM
When do you defoliate?
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 22, 2010, 12:30 PM
defoliate mid-summer, depending on heat or when you decide to wire
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: rockm on June 22, 2010, 02:15 PM
I have never defoliated mine. I am pretty cautious about being too aggressive with it since my climate is a bit different than where the tree hails from. I have been considering  it, however, in the last couple of years to increase ramification.

Do yours set acorns?
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 22, 2010, 03:33 PM
I have never defoliated mine. I am pretty cautious about being too aggressive with it since my climate is a bit different than where the tree hails from. I have been considering  it, however, in the last couple of years to increase ramification.

Do yours set acorns?

well, you have to do what you are comfortable doing.  I fertilize well with liquid a few days before defoliating.  They pop strong.
Yes, mine produce acorns.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: rockm on June 24, 2010, 08:01 AM
Don,

Got any more pics?
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Larry Gockley on June 24, 2010, 02:04 PM
Probably the nicest live oak  I've seen yet. Looks to be about 5 feet tall, am I close? Larry
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 24, 2010, 05:36 PM
Photos for Mark.
This one is healed all but the original chop which has a oval scar measuring .75"x1.5"
Its a more mainstream size...
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 24, 2010, 05:44 PM
Probably the nicest live oak  I've seen yet. Looks to be about 5 feet tall, am I close? Larry

Yes.  52" tall from soil.  Canopy is 68" wide and 60" deep.  Trunk is 7" and base is 13".
Its a 2+ person tree.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: seth ellwood on June 24, 2010, 10:40 PM
Don you have a awe inspiring collection.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: rockm on June 25, 2010, 08:59 AM
Thanks Don. Another very nice oak.

I like the big one though. Very well done, reminds me of the live oaks in Jackson Square in N.O....
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 25, 2010, 09:22 AM
the big oak is further along in development so it has a more natural look for a southern live oak with broad weeping branches.  the little oak will get there soon enough, just not there yet.  both are doing the oak thing.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: mcpesq817 on June 25, 2010, 10:07 AM
Hi Don, those are incredible trees.  Thanks very much for sharing.  I really love the smaller one you posted - maybe because my back starts hurting when I look at pictures of the first one :)

Just out of curiosity, do you ever show your trees?  You clearly have great skill and artistry, and your trees are fantastic.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 25, 2010, 12:48 PM
Just out of curiosity, do you ever show your trees?  You clearly have great skill and artistry, and your trees are fantastic.
I used to awhile back when I had more time.  Then 2 or 3 years ago I did put a couple in the Michigan All-State Show.  I was going to hit the MABA this year since its in Grand Rapids, but it snuck up on me and I just cannot take the time to do it (show is going on right now).  I might show a tree in the Midwest Show in August, but again, when it comes down to it, I probably will not have the time to do it.  I have a job, wife who works full time, and kids that get 1st dibs.  I'm the VP for the Humane Society of Southwest Michigan.  I am active in our church and I teach bible school every Sunday.  I have a lot of trees to care for too.  My schedule is pretty full, mostly, so I don't have large blocks of free time.  Shows require preparation, which isn't too bad.  The deal-breaker is the overall time commitment with odd delivery and pick-up times to boot.  So, as much as I'd like to get out there more often, I just cannot do it.  Sorry for droning on.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: mcpesq817 on June 25, 2010, 02:49 PM
Hi Don, you must be pretty organized to be able to juggle all those responsibilities.  I'm sure I speak for all of us here when I say that we're happy you take the time to post pictures of your great trees.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: JRob on June 26, 2010, 06:37 AM
One of the trees I purchased from Don a shohin bonsai cascade Pinus thunbergii (Japanese Black Pine) in March of 2009 was in my shohin display at Shohin St. Louis in the spring of 2009 and was placed second best tree in the show. The judge was Tigra Urushibata from Japan. It was the first show I ever participated in. My interest in bonsai began in Aug 2008 after I purchase a tree for my son from Cass Bonsai at the Japanese Festival held at the Missouri Botanical Garden. I bought my first tree which was also from Don on Dec 11 2008. It was also in the display. It is a Juniniper chinensis, Itoigawa Shimpaku. There is a current pic taken a few days ago on a current thread on this forum which I think I called Shohin Itoigawa Shimpaku STL. 

Don is great to due business with. I have been extremely pleased with every tree I have purchased from him. I highly recommend Gregory Beach Bonsai to anyone who is looking for quality trees and great pre-bonsai stock. I have purchased over half a dozen trees from him, he is extremely helpful and a great guy. The quality of my shohin collection is due in large part to his artistry and talent. 

JRob
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 26, 2010, 09:50 PM
Jeffrey, thank you for the kind words.  I appreciate it very much.
Regards,
Don
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Mitch on September 02, 2010, 10:36 PM
BEAUTIFUL OAK!!!! i AM A HUGE FAN OF OAKS... ALL OF MINES ARE DEVELOPING AT THIS TIME THO. I AM LOCATED IN SOUTHERN OHIO SO AT THIS TIME I HAVE TWO RED OAKS, A PIN OAK, THREE CHESTNUT OAKS, AND ONE WHITE OAK. rather unconventional species i'd say, but one of the chestnut oaks' trunk is very furrowed and ramification needs to come along but the main three branches are set, so hopefully next year ramification can progress a bit.
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: rockm on September 03, 2010, 09:05 AM
For what it's worth, here's a pic of mine in the spring (when live oak lose their leaves).

Eastern oaks don't perform as well under bonsai cultivation as live oak, IMO, but if you've got a nice trunk to work with, some of that can be forgiven...

Shoot, pic won't post... :-\ :-X
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: Zach Smith on September 03, 2010, 09:46 AM
Photos for Mark.
This one is healed all but the original chop which has a oval scar measuring .75"x1.5"
Its a more mainstream size...
Absolutely beautiful, Don.  Nuff said!

Zach
Title: Re: Old, collected Southern Live Oak
Post by: John Kirby on September 03, 2010, 04:08 PM
Nice Mark. I have always liked the live oaks downsouth and out in California. Yours gives a very nice feel as well.

John