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Don Blackmond

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Large cedar elm with long low branch
« on: December 02, 2009, 04:03 PM »
This tree has been around for many years, and has spent the last decade healing over scars and developing taper.  Well, its almost 100% healed with the exception of the apex where the last seasons lead was removed.  Its one of the last few trees still holding leaves here.

This thread kind of follows the one John Kirby posted about his slant shimpaku with the "greeter branch".  This cedar elm has a long, cascading lower left branch that defies convention.  I can remove that branch and make it conform more to textbook teaching, but why?  It is a unique tree with or without the branch, but moreso with it.

Anyway, there is plenty to debate, but no right answer.  That is part of the beauty of it.
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2009, 05:41 PM »
I like the lower left branch because it follows the sweep of the lower trunk.  I would like it even more if it followed that line a little more closely, but not too much.  I hope that makes sense.
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2009, 05:48 PM »
Love the tree, by the way, very powerful.
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2009, 07:50 PM »
Don,
Nice crassifolia, you will need to grow that branch out for 15-20 years to make a greeter out of it. Nice work, John
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 09:52 AM »
Don,
Of course you could remove that branch and make the tree far more static and less dynamic. Why would you do that?

But have you thought about removing the lowest branch on the other side?
 

Don Blackmond

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 10:24 AM »
But have you thought about removing the lowest branch on the other side?
you would quickly decide against doing that if you had the tree in front of you.  its much easier when you have the advantage of 3 dimensions.
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2009, 10:30 AM »
Don,
I have a couple of these beasts, not as beastly as yours, but nice none the less. The thing I see is their reluctance to produce multiple flushes of growth like we ge with Chinese or American elms, how do they do up in your climate? You do have much longer days in the peak summer, but your temps and day night transitions are so different than ours.

John
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2009, 11:12 AM »
Weeping unconventional branching is pretty typical of cedar elm growth. You just have to go with it sometimes, as it can add up to a compelling tree.

I've noticed also that cedar elms are a little balky when it comes to secondary growth, but it can come and go, depending on the branch. I've also noticed that some branches can become dominant and can grow very quickly with this species. Those branches can push alot of new interior budding when their ends are pruned back hard.
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2009, 11:36 AM »
Wow Don, that is another really nice tree.  Thanks very much for sharing.
 

Don Blackmond

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2009, 12:09 PM »
John, over the years I have had a number of cedar elms, all collected trees from the south.  They tend to do very well here in Michigan, even withstanding freezing.  I get good growth except in the peak heat of July.  They do respond well to cutting and put out lots of growthshortly thereafter.  I do agree with Rockm's statement that some branching san be dominant.  You have to watch new growth because some twigs will grow much faster than others and since the branches tend to be thicker you can easily create disproportionately fat branching.  Anyway, I do get multiple heavy growth periods, just not in July.
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2009, 12:45 PM »
But have you thought about removing the lowest branch on the other side?
you would quickly decide against doing that if you had the tree in front of you.  its much easier when you have the advantage of 3 dimensions.

No doubt I would...I'm not big on virtual styling for that reason alone. But now you have put yourself in a bit of a spot! I'm dying to see more angles on this beauty!
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2009, 12:47 PM »
I've noticed  my cedar elms slow down to a crawl in July here in Va. also. It's a short summer dormancy -- I also believe they do this in their native geographic areas too. I've seen this in the CEs around my parent's place in East Texas in the summertime.

I have to be careful not to overwater my CE bonsai during July and early August. I do get some additional extension growth some years in September, though.

They are also slow to drop leaves here in Va. in the fall. Mine still has a few leaves on it now, in the beginning of Dec.
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2009, 12:49 PM »
So, are you sure it is cedar and not winged elm?
 

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Re: Large cedar elm with long low branch
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2009, 01:21 PM »
So, are you sure it is cedar and not winged elm?

yes