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General Category => Deciduous Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: Judy on August 26, 2013, 09:08 AM

Title: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on August 26, 2013, 09:08 AM
Here is my KH, it may look a bit sparse right now as I did major branch removal this past winter, and also did some thinning to get light into the buds in the interior of the tree.  It has responded well, and has new shoots (which are hard to see) everywhere.  There are a couple of weak thinner branches that I'm allowing to grow unchecked, and didn't wire.  I'm hoping that they'll get with the program too.  They do have some shoots, but not as much as the rest of the tree.

Here are some photos, the tree does have more than one good angle, but I think that somewhere between the first two pics will be the "front".  BTW, this is the tree that I thought would look good in the green oval Paul Katich pot that he posted here.  We are talking about building something for this.

Other pics are the side I was considering the front, but now am moving away from. There is a video of this on Al's website, that he stitched together a surround of all the angles. Comments are welcome!

Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: bwaynef on August 26, 2013, 09:22 AM
The base of the new front (as pictured in #1 if I'm understanding correctly) is much more powerful.  It gives the tree much more power and stability.  The ONLY thing I don't love about the new front is that branch coming in front of the bigger, rear trunk.  I think the (design of the) tree would miss it if it were removed though.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on August 26, 2013, 11:24 AM
Yes, it may turn slightly more as in photo 2, but that is basically the new front.  It does have a stronger feel from this side, and maybe that branch could be shortened, and/or moved around somewhat to help.   I just recently (last few months) started seriously looking at this side, so most of the current branching was made for the other side.  
How do you feel about that front root?

Oh, and just for fun, here is a fall shot from last year.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: John Kirby on August 27, 2013, 08:31 AM
Judy love these old Korean Hornbeams. Question, I personally like the shift to a new front, you gain a lot by reversing as you have done. The question I have is, what does the tree lkook like when yo go the opposite direction, I believe that you turne dthe new front counter clockwise a bit, what happens when you go clockwise? My question arises fromn the relatively straight root pointing directly at you with the new front. That can be pruned quite a bit shorter most likely, when repotted, or it could be "hidden" by tilting the tree a few degrees forward. Could we task you to take a picture from the opposite quadrant (other quarter of the new front side) and with the back of the pot sitting up on a piece of 1" dimensional lumber to tilt it towards us?

Love the tree I have one similar, though not as nice. John
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: fibonaccifemme on August 27, 2013, 09:13 AM
Judy,
I want to say that the photo of the tree w/o leaves is one of the best I've seen.
Ignoring the foreground, the shot has great components:  without harsh lights and the trees that are ever so slightly reflected in the window behind the pale gauzy curtain are a perfect suggestive counterpoint to the bare tree. The tone is neutral perfect from the trunk to the twigs. Very nice.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: T-Town Bonsai on August 27, 2013, 09:20 AM
Your tree looks very similar to a tree I used to own.
Frank
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on August 27, 2013, 10:04 AM
One could even say it is the SAME tree!  I got this from Don B. last year, it's nice to meet you Frank.  I hear it was originally from Brussels?  Maybe you could fill in a bit of history?

Thanks for the compliment on the photo, most of mine are not that good.  I do like using that material as a backdrop, but sometimes don't like seeing thru it.  I'm working on getting a block to go outside it.

I will take the photos you asked for John, and would love to see a pic of yours too.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on August 27, 2013, 11:17 AM
Here are the photos of the angles on this side of the tree.   I don't think that they are very flattering.... I'll just have to work with that root, I think.  Pic 1 is current front, but with a block in the back.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Leo in NE Illinois on August 27, 2013, 11:59 AM
Personally, I like img_2451 as the front. Or starting there the left side of img_2451 should be the front, rotating the tree a few degrees from there. I like the taller trunk forward. It may not show the massive base as well, but it has better depth, perspective of a taller tree. The hollow under the trunk is also more visible from this angle, this adds interest.

Just my opinion, this is a good tree. It looks great from several different sides.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: fibonaccifemme on August 27, 2013, 06:58 PM
Judy,
re: using a blocking panel so you don't see the background trees through the curtain, I think it would flatten out the bonsai portrait. The way it is now you have depth and the illusion of trees w/o really seeing them. It's a happy accident.
Try it both ways and see what you end up with.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: John Kirby on August 28, 2013, 06:29 AM
Jud, I like thf new front with the new angle, gets a bit of the lean back. John
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on August 28, 2013, 07:57 AM
Yeah me too, although I see what Leo sees from the other side, that's why it was so long to really look here.  Happily the two sides are directly opposite, so I can develop it to the one side, but still keep the other side in mind.  What pot do you see this in?  I have some examples of colors from Paul K. that I'll post here later.  Shape is either rounded rectangle or oval I think.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: John Kirby on August 28, 2013, 08:43 AM
Rounded rectangle, a litte deeper. The light green will go well.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on August 28, 2013, 02:03 PM
Paul gave me permission to post the pots here that are the glaze ideas for the tree.  I have my ideas, but would love to hear what others think as well.  With pic #2 in mind, I'm thinking just the top part of the pot, above the textured part.  I like the textured part, but worry that it would be too distracting.

Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on August 28, 2013, 02:09 PM
And the last 4.  All nice pots, some are only slight variations, but important tonal variations.  To lip or not to lip?  Pot choices are hard...
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on December 27, 2013, 03:34 PM
I thought I'd update this tree, after wiring it again today.  I didn't have to do very much editing, but did a lot of moving things around. 
I've committed to this side pretty much, although with minor changes, it could still work from the other side.  I always enjoy wiring this tree.  Something will have to be done with the left front root.  I did minimize the branching going in front of the taller trunk from the shorter one, didn't get rid of it entirely, but may at some point.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Jay on December 27, 2013, 04:00 PM
Judy, I like this Hornbeam.... But understand your desire to do something about that root. Are you thinking of removing it?
Jay
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on December 27, 2013, 04:50 PM
Thanks Jay, yes, I'm thinking of either removal or cutting back and hoping for some division to take place.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on April 02, 2014, 09:57 AM
Here is the tree in a new pot this year.  I really like it, the size is much better and it suits the tree very well I think.  This tree is throwing backbuds all over the place, I'm having to rub a lot of them off the lower trunk!  I did not take the hanging root off, I still don't know if I will, but in any event I left the roots largely alone this year, as I want it to build more strength before I do it. 
Here are both sides, the pot is different on each and I think that actually suits the different personalities that the tree has on each.
What do you think?
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Don Blackmond on April 03, 2014, 09:27 PM
looks good.  I like the pot, especially in 3253
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on April 04, 2014, 07:13 AM
Thanks Don.  Going to let it grow wild this year, and see if I can fatten up some of the thinner upper branches.  I can't believe how many buds this thing has! I may have to do a bit of strategic defoliating to keep light moving into the interior this summer.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on March 27, 2015, 07:46 PM
The hornbeam grew very well last year, and is literally covered in buds this spring.  I did a partial repot, just enough to gain a new angle.  A bit turned counter clock and tipped a bit as well.  I'll be wiring this guy in the next few days, and will finish up the branch editing.  First pic before the preliminary hair cut. 
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: Judy on March 29, 2015, 12:41 PM
Here is the tree after a big session with the cutters.  Pared it down to the keepers.  Will wire up what is left, and probably tip the tree to the left at the next repot.
Title: Re: Korean hornbeam
Post by: DorianJF on March 29, 2015, 01:34 PM
Hi Judy

That is a really nice tree.  Would love to see how it develops further.