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Collected Albizia Jullibrissin

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coh:
I'm looking forward to seeing these trees develop. I've got a couple that I'm working with up here. One is in a pot so development is slow (I'm still working on trunk size...got the tree from someone in Louisiana so don't know if it would survive in the ground here). The other is a supposedly hardier cultivar (E.H. Wilson) that has been in the ground for 2 seasons and is developing quickly. It gets another year in the ground, then gets dug for root work in 2016. Provided it survives, that is, as we're near the edge of their range. It did make it through the super cold winter last year, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

Chris

Leo in NE Illinois:
Nice big trunk for a starter tree. I would not do the long angle cut until after a growing season or two. You want to see where it buds back, then figure out branch placement. Afterwards then you can cut the angle to shape the wound, from just above a bottom branch to just below the top branch. If you cut the long angle now and branches don't appear in the ''right" places you may have trouble healing the wound.

As for published life spans of trees, generally those 'lifespans' are bogus. I have seen plenty of Albizia well over 30 and 40 years old in the landscape. If the data came from Landscape Architecture texts, it refers to how long it will be a small graceful flowering tree in a manicured garden setting, after which it will get too big and unruly to fit the garden magazine ideal for a little tree. The old Albizia I have seen were ''ugly'', lots of broken branches, and leaving large amounts of litter on the ground, ugly for a manicured garden, but just fine as a tree.

Timber trees often have listed life spans, for example red oak is listed as 70 years in Wisconsin, we all know of oaks that are hundreds of years old. The source of the "lifespan" data is from a lumber production orientated forest management article, that is the age at which a large planting of many acres will have roughly 25% of the trees developing heart wood rots, beginning to form hollow trunks thus making the $$$ yield for timber harvest less valuable. Trees have open ended life spans, they don't expire the way dogs and people do. So ignore published life span data when considering species for bonsai, unless you know specifically how the data would apply to a bonsai setting.

Mulberries are listed as short lived trees, yet the mulberries planted by Thomas Jefferson at Monticello in Virginia are still there, and growing.

But you have a nice start there with your Albizia, both look good. I like your concept of practicing on free material that is locally native. That is the ''original'' concept that the Japanese used before bonsai was a major nursery industry in Japan. What other species grow in your  landscape that interest you? I recommend getting about 10 to 25 trees in pots to keep you busy enough while learning so that you won''t be tempted to do too much in one growing season on any one tree. The solution to impatience is to have more trees.

Leo in NE Illinois:
I just noticed your other posts, you have a bunch of projects going. That is the way to learn, good start.

SpongeMann:
Hey fellas thank you for participating in the thread. Chris I ve been dying for someone with albizia j to respond . How do you make your trees break bud for lateral growth?  I find cut and grow  to work with heavy fertilizing. You will be pretty surprised my uncle in Upstate New York has a tree that I gave him and it wakes back up every spring it'll have a few limbs missing but it grows them back fast. The small tree Im messing with has been in a wallapini all winter it has some yellow leaves but it hasnt gone dormant. Im in norther central florida. It'll drop down in the twenties .
Leo thanks everything you said just saved me soo much time. Ive been researching and all I could come up with was a blog about keeping trees young by active growth by pruning. That if you prune a normal  mature tree for years it'll live for a long time and yeah that sounds logical. But you have settled my thoughts lol. It all makes so much sense now. Thats cool that you noticed my intentions.  I didnt know that is is the original concept of bonsai. My interest in bonsai  started because of a crape myrtle from my threads thats was on my property. It was 3and 1/2 feet tall but it looked like a tree . So I started researching online and I noticed it was still too big. I also noticed alot of videos and blogs from novices on trees that they bought in box stores or nurseries. And I didn't want to be that guy. I wanted to learn from what i see every day when I look outside and see the Live Oaks , Swamp Bays,and Dahoon Hollies on my property.  Which I have a few pre bonsai of. The Swamp Bay they respond very good to trunk chops. Sometimes the growth will only sprout from the base. I think its good material and the sap smells great. You could break a branch or crush a leaf and smell it . Its great. Trees that grab my interest are Sea grape, bald Cypress, Muscadine grapes which I have a vine that I want to harvest but I dont know enough of. Pineland Acacia,Florida mahogany and Gumbo limbo which I haven't found yet Eastern Redbud,Black mangrove , on the bucketlist, and my favorite Ficus Aurea. There are many more but these are my tops. I started bonsai because of the crape and I love trees. I would  sit outside and always be amazed by the live oaks. I grew up in New England our trees are similar to Illinois trees  . When I moved down here and seen the variety of trees that grew here I was hooked.  I have succulents and fruit trees that keep me busy most of the time.

coh:

--- Quote from: SpongeMann on January 31, 2015, 03:03 AM ---Hey fellas thank you for participating in the thread. Chris I ve been dying for someone with albizia j to respond . How do you make your trees break bud for lateral growth?  I find cut and grow  to work with heavy fertilizing. You will be pretty surprised my uncle in Upstate New York has a tree that I gave him and it wakes back up every spring it'll have a few limbs missing but it grows them back fast. The small tree Im messing with has been in a wallapini all winter it has some yellow leaves but it hasnt gone dormant. Im in norther central florida. It'll drop down in the twenties .

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I haven't done any pruning yet. My trees are being allowed to just grow to build the size trunk I want.  The one in the ground may be in line for a significant cut back this spring, but I'll have to reevaluate once the weather starts to warm up.

There are a few here and there in the landscape out here. We are in an area that is somewhat tempered by the Lakes, so it doesn't get as cold here as it does in other parts of upstate NY. Typically each winter we'll get down to about -10 F once or twice. I think the coldest ever recorded was -22 but I've been here for 10+ years and don't think we've gotten below -10 or -12. I did notice that the ones in the landscape suffered more extensive winter damage last year.

By the way, Bill Valavanis had a couple of albizia bonsai at one point. As he puts it, they are now "permanently dormant" (not sure what happened to them). You can see a photo of one of his here (scroll down to the next to last image):

http://artofbonsai.org/galleries/valavanis.php

Chris

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