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Herman

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another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« on: July 24, 2014, 04:42 AM »
Hi Guys,

I've had this buffalo thorn since 2006. It was given to me by one of my Teachers Sunette Duvenhage as a gift the day I met her. It only had the trunk and 3 2-3 inch stubs that was to become the branches and no apex whatsoever. I've since re-potted it twice, and it seems to have struggled with the soil mixes it was planted into(did not grow as much as I desired it to grow). will be re-potting it into another mixture to try and get it stronger and get some ramification into the branches

pics to follow in next post.
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Herman
 
 

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2014, 04:45 AM »
No front had been selected yet. Looks good from three of the four sides
 

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2014, 04:47 AM »
Hope you guys like it  ;D

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2014, 07:20 AM »
Winter silhouettes! Nice.

Though I would love to see it in leaf.!

The crazy base and trunk pair well with the branching.

Do these back bud well?   Id love to see you able to get the canopy more compact.

Thanks for sharing.


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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2014, 07:43 AM »
Hi Sorce,

Thanks for the compliment :D

these back bud well when put on a diet of high nitrogen fertilizer. I'm planning to get it into a very free draining soil so I can fertilize the living daylights out of it. I would also love seeing better ramified apex and branches on this tree.

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2014, 07:11 PM »
I would also love seeing better ramified apex and branches on this tree.


Hi Herman, You have the most important thing already though, a nice trunk line. This tree looks to have a lot of potential.

Thanks for sharing.
 

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2014, 09:35 AM »
Very nice movement! The first image looks like the best front
 

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2014, 03:58 PM »
Cool  :)
 

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2014, 06:18 PM »
I agree with Owen. Cool.
 

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2014, 12:54 AM »
Thanks guys,

Getting it into my klinker mix in the next few days.
Spring is very close and I have to finish this year's repotting run before I can go collecting

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2014, 10:29 AM »
I like the first image, but don't like the big fat root off the front.  Will you reduce this in time?  I just wonder if there is a better angle that you can try to minimize if you need to keep it. 
 

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2014, 12:56 PM »
I like the last image as a "front" (004).  The branching against the flow of movement can improve, but the overall message I strong.  The base is the defining feature currently, so ramification and branch placement will need to pull more visual weight over time.
 

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2014, 03:35 AM »
Hi Owen, Judy,

The fourth photo is the original front, I trained it for the past two years with photo one as the front because of the better branch placement and the C bend in the trunk is also less obvious(it irritated me somewhat), but it skimps on the view of the nice base from the fourth photo. But since I've wired it I saw quite a few angles that could work as the front. If I can get this tree vigorous and strong this year I may restart the branches from scratch in 2015 if I'm not happy with the end result of this seasons' training.

Judy, that root would be impossible to remove as the whole base of this tree is the result of two large roots that goes off in opposite directions and then divides before it heads into the soil. also all roots sustaining this tree comes from these two roots. Cutting it off would effectively reduce the active root system by half, depending on which big root carries the most active roots. I might be able to play with the planting angle and the angle of the viewing front to diminish the visual weight of that root.

First things first, let me get this into a better soil mix (the previous mix was an epic failed experiment on my part because I listened to somebody I shouldn't have listened to two years ago) it consisted of fine top soil for lawns, un-sieved compost and some rough riversand ... it compacted so much that it takes three minutes for water to drain through the draining holes on the bottom of the pot after watering it....IDK why that ground cover looks so happy in this mix  ???  probably because it only skims the surface of this mix with its roots.

thanks for the input guys, much appreciated  ;D
This is one of my trees I really want to make something WOW of

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Herman
 

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2014, 05:50 AM »
All potted up in my mix and ready for the coming season's growth. Changed the front too

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Re: another winter image Ziziphus Mucronata(buffalo thorn)
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2014, 06:14 AM »
Herman,

what does it look like in leaf ?

I appreciate you taking the time to show. Now I wish our local zizyphus would be as co-operative. ;D
Also how about some size information - height, trunk diameter and what does a mature tree look like in nature?
Good Day
Anthony