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LarryAldrich

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Air layer aftercare
« on: August 18, 2014, 01:30 PM »
Hey friends
I'm looking for some advice on after care for an air layer I recently seperated.
I started it last April and seperated it early this month.
It's an AP kamagata. I'm not sure if the variety had any thing to do with the slower than expected root growth.
I felt like it didn't have much in the way of roots so I took some extra foliage off the top.
I am watering it almost every day and making sure the excess water runs out the side.  I am keeping it in total filtered shade in a humidity tray. 
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks
Larry Aldrich
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jlushious

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2014, 01:42 PM »
I'm no expert but that looks like great root growth to me!
 

LarryAldrich

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2014, 01:55 PM »
Thanks J
Any opinion on the after care?  Also, I want to do a root over rock with this boy.  Do you think I can do that next spring?  Or should I wait a year?

Larry
 

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2014, 02:07 PM »
If it were mine, and I had the rock I was going to place it over, I'd probably have put it on the rock at separation.  That may not be wise simply because the roots may be fragile, but that's what I would've tried.

If it didn't look like that was going to work out well, I'd probably plant it in such a way as to coax the roots to grow long.  A 2-liter bottle placed over a pot, both filled with soil, watered through the 2L bottle (at least initially).  (http://bonsaitonight.com/2013/03/26/repotting-1-year-old-black-pine-seedlings/)

I agree.  That looks like suitable root growth.
 

LarryAldrich

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2014, 02:57 PM »
Thanks bwaynef for the input and ideas. Next time I'll try that.
 

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 03:10 PM »
Looks good to me too.

Far as aftercare. Not much different than a repot it seems.

Except what bwayne mentioned of the rock and bottle.

I don't think you'll have any trouble!

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LarryAldrich

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2014, 03:20 PM »
This is the rock I have planned for it.  I need to come up with a way to support the rock in the back. Right now it's a little tippy, and wants to fall over backward.
Any opinions on the rock or supporting it? 

Thanks
Larry
 

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2014, 11:30 PM »
I've seen some creative uses of wooden wedges or shims placed under rocks (or even just straight up under the tree) to balance them out, course you have to wire them and the rock in to make sure it stays that way!
 

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2014, 04:45 AM »
You can use construction adhesive itself, or to secure rock shims.

I used it to glue some rocks together for indoors.

Have seen it used outdoors for cinder blocks in gardens.

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2014, 09:45 AM »
Or, http://www.kutzall.com/kutzall_products_categories.cfm?category_ID=5


I simply put my jm air layers back into full sun after separation.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2014, 09:46 AM by Chrisl »
 

LarryAldrich

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2014, 07:57 PM »
This little air layer now has roots growing out of the bottom of the container. I am planning to let it be until next spring then attach it to its rock. Any issues I should consider overwintering it. I was planning to keep the air layer in my unseated garage.
 

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2014, 08:22 PM »
This seems like a very long process for a jm in your mild clime. Are you feeding it? After the roots go from white to tan they are stronger and feeding with a weak solution while still on the tree is helpful.
Will the rock be sitting in a pot or suiban? Just curious.
 

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2014, 08:36 PM »
I'm planning on putting the rock in a very shallow pot. I'm not sure if that's a suiban or not. I don't mind the wait for the final outcome of the project. I'm excited about the final out come even if I need to wait a year or so more.
 

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2014, 02:23 PM »
There are number of ways of securing a tree to a rock even if there is no crevice present one of which is epoxy and they wire with the wire placed in the center. One of the old-school methods that Saburo. Kato used was to take a lead fishing weight and thread a wire behind it and then shove the lead fishing weight into a crack or crevice to secure the wire.  To do a root over rock generally you place the roots in the position you want and secure them to the rock using Muck or some sort of breathable wrap and then you bury the rock and the tree Way past where you want the final media level to be.  Then expose bit by bit over multiple years.  Those roots are very young and it is possible to place it on the rock now however it will be more difficult to perform after care and keep the root system from freezing this winter (more space used for storage).  I would overwinter in the current container and place the roots in late winter early spring before the buds pop open on the maple.  As a sidenote, I feel that this Japanese maple has much more potential than your other air layer as the structure is better and the location of the layers very good.  I agree on the light liquid feed to promote vigor but I think your aftercare overall is very good. Personally I feel that the selection of a stone for a root over rock is extremely important. Perhaps more important than the actual tree.
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LarryAldrich

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Re: Air layer aftercare
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2014, 12:58 AM »
Thanks for the input Owen.  I appreciate it.