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JoesBonsai

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Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« on: July 30, 2014, 09:50 AM »
I have had this tree for the last six years ,trying to achieve a flat top getting there slowly

 

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2014, 02:04 AM »
Hey Joe,

Nice Knob Thorn! It's getting there for sure. Just one observation; the right side looks weaker than the left side in this photo. Is this a photo of the tree last summer, or taken recently? my advice would be to not prune the right side as much as you do the left, this will help the right side gain vigor and restrict the left so that you will have a more balanced tree in the end. This will help to get a nice even ramification on the tree.

Well done Boet!

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Herman
 

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2014, 02:15 AM »
Wow. I like the leaf shape,!
 

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 04:26 AM »
Thank You for your comments

Herman

Noted,here is the pics of the Acacia Mellifera (Black Thorn)that flowered for the first time. This is one of my first Bonsai from seedling :)

Thanks Bud
Joe
 

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2014, 06:26 AM »
super! it's very rare for acacia's to flower when in bonsai culture, This is the second indigenous acacia I've seen flower in bonsai culture.

does it grow faster or slower than your Acacia Galpinii's ?

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2014, 09:30 AM »
Hi Herman,

Definite slow growing :( ,this year will make 12 years i have this tree.I got it from a tiny seedling ;)
 

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2014, 06:45 PM »
Beautiful. I like that you are growing them to look like they do in nature. A acacia made to look like a pine just does not make sense.... :(
 

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2014, 03:40 AM »
Beautiful. I like that you are growing them to look like they do in nature. A acacia made to look like a pine just does not make sense.... :(

I am indifferent to this statement, I feel that any tree no matter the species can be styled to what appeals to the artist himself, and what the tree itself is telling him. I have seven senagalia(acacia) bonsai styled in or being trained in the way they grow in nature, so why would i create another in the exact same style...also if the rule was to style a species only in the way they grow in nature, south african bonsai would consist of quite a lot of shrubs in pots :) taking Joe's Black thorn as an example....black thorn is a pioneer plant and grows up to form a huge shrub...he trained it in the informal upright style :). also his knob-thorn is styled differently than a knob-thorn grows in nature, its styled in the flat top style, while the species grows into a very tall columnar shape in nature...is his bonsai wrong then? according to your analogy...

at least we can agree that Joe's bonsai are beautiful :)

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2014, 03:08 AM »
African Acacias are a very special tree. To me there in nothing like it anywhere. They have an aura that cant be ignored. Agreed some are big shrubs but they all have one thing in common. They all grow outwards reaching for light. ;) All deciduous trees grows like that actually.
 Any Acacia or deciduous tree that is forced to grow like a pine with its branches pulled down to create the sought after pads,
is to me just morally wrong towards that tree.
Its a big statement but the right one none the less.  I have trees that are shaped that way. Some I grew like that in the beginning and some I got that way. I have others that I'm in the process of rectifying (or trying) to. Giving them back some dignity.
A deciduous tree should be styled in the shapes/styles they usually grow in nature. Coniferous, pines etc. are very different and should be treated as such.
That is only my opinion though... :) 
 

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2014, 04:06 AM »
African Acacias are a very special tree. To me there in nothing like it anywhere. They have an aura that cant be ignored. Agreed some are big shrubs but they all have one thing in common. They all grow outwards reaching for light. ;) All deciduous trees grows like that actually.
 Any Acacia or deciduous tree that is forced to grow like a pine with its branches pulled down to create the sought after pads,
is to me just morally wrong towards that tree.
Its a big statement but the right one none the less.  I have trees that are shaped that way. Some I grew like that in the beginning and some I got that way. I have others that I'm in the process of rectifying (or trying) to. Giving them back some dignity.
A deciduous tree should be styled in the shapes/styles they usually grow in nature. Coniferous, pines etc. are very different and should be treated as such.
That is only my opinion though... :) 

all trees are special Fred...and... all plants grow towards sun light...I can show you a gazillion pines that grow in a broom shape ;) also I can show you a gazillion deciduous trees that grow in what you would call "pine style" you are just limiting yourself by boxing in your creativity. have fun with that   :-\

I for one would hate having 10 acacia bonsai all in the same style(I'd probably give all except one of them away)

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2014, 07:09 AM »
You know what I mean by "pine" style. I'm talking about those drawn down branches to simulate an aged pine. Very few trees grow that way.
That is the easiest way to style a tree and that why so many trees are styled that way. Not much creativity needed to draw down braches to form pads.
 Acacias and Deciduous trees mostly have low spreading, tapered branches that reaches outwards at an angle towards the light. To many trees suffer the indignity because people force them to grow a way they never will in the wild.
No Acacia should suffer the indignity of having its branches drawn down to simulate a aged pine, just because the "artist" thinks the tree told him so. I really can think of NO African Acacia that wants to look like a padded pine   :'(
 

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2014, 07:43 AM »
If I could I'd bring you a tissue  :o
 

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2014, 08:30 AM »
The issue is in the outcome.  If you can create a beautiful image no matter what the form is it is really difficult to argue with success.  But for those who so vociferously criticize Herman's designs I have to ask to see yours.  I know of the large flat top trees of which you speak and you seem to indicate this the only way they grow.  It is true many of the big and older ones do that but the question is why?  You need to answer that first.  In bonsai as well as nature the shape and form of a tree is determined by genetics and circumstances.  If the circumstances far exceed the abilities of denetics to adapt then the tree dies, if not it survives in ways you may not see at first.
 

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Re: Acacia Nigrescens - Knob Thorn
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2014, 04:48 PM »
I,m not "vociferously criticizing Herman's designs". No need to show mine as that is not the point.
What I'm saying is when you work with an Acacia you should stay true to the nature and growth of a Acacia. An Acacia in a pyramid shape can never be a "success". You will not find it anywhere in Africa.
I'm not talking about the flat top trees per say but it still is an African style and that opens up possibilities. A knob thorn don't grow that way but as we see on top it does work because its possible in nature because of circumstances.
 As you say its in the genetics therefor I don't believe in interfering with a tree's growth habits to fulfil our artistic desires. There are many different options within one style that we can play with, but stay true as much as possible to the tree's natural growth habits......
Like I said that is only my personal opinion. I apologise to you Herman if I come over to strong, but I'm really passionate about African trees and in particular the Acacia. Harden up and please don't take it personal  :) As you said all trees are special but an African Acacia is VERY special. When one leaves Africa the one image that does stay with you is that of an Acacia.....  ;)
  
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