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rockm

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2009, 12:54 PM »
I realize Lang's pots are expensive, but I still maintain they're a better buy than Tokoname--especially in the size that is being considered here. Large Tokonome pots aren't cheap and they're also not very common here. Shipping for such a monster would easily add $100 to it--IF it's not chipped or even smashed in transit. To get a proper "fit" (And even that would be approximate) you would have to rely on the catalog. With a custom pot from a domestic source, you get to work directly with the potter. I know Ron (and Dale Cochoy and Sara RAynor and others) are very interested in talking with their buyers about what a pot should look like. They will help design the container with the grower. Can't really ask for better than that.

For what it's worth, I have more than a few tokoname pots and frankly, some aren't very good. Some have all the character as block of Hershey's chocolate. Don't get me wrong, good Tokonameware is awesome. Mediocre tokonameware (and yes, there is some of that) is boring and overpriced.

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2009, 09:12 PM »
Ken,
Thanks for the advice on summer collecting.
I think I'll try this weekend to dig a couple of Bc's just to see how they do.

I realize it's a few weeks further along in the growing season here than where you are, so I won't dig anything special....Just a couple of 'em as an experiment.

Do you have any advice as to soil mix or water immersion or.....?
Thanks,

Jay
 

ken duncan

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2009, 09:42 PM »
Jay,
I like to use a good quality nursery potting soil like Fafard or Pro-Mix, and keep them wet. It is good to use a deep nursery container and bury the tree deep above the surface roots to keep the trunk moist. use a large enough container that soil surrounds the roots completely without any of the roots touching the sides or the bottom of the container. I put mine out in full sun after a week in the shade and out of the wind.
Hope this helps.
Ken
 

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2009, 09:50 PM »
Thanks Ken.
It'll help a lot.

Jay
 

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2009, 02:19 PM »
Ken, I just now got to look at your post on the fast interwebs and I must say, that is more than just fine work. You have produced a very artistic composition made all the more inspiring by the intermediate photos. I would never guess this was one tree hollowed out to make a twin trunk. My hat is off to you!

Chris
 

ken duncan

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2009, 03:10 PM »
Thank You Chris.
Ken
 

ken duncan

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2009, 12:06 PM »
I think that this tree has some other interesting views, maybe it should be in a round pot.
Ken
 

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2009, 01:28 PM »
I know where you're coming from with the round pot, but I think this planting would be better served in an oval. Although it does have several "sides" none are as good as the primary (Which is  pretty hard to beat).

It needs "white space" to put it in perspective, I think. A round pot, in which it would be equidistant from all sides wouldn't provide that and could even lessen the impact as its "best side wouldn't be emphasized, but made equal to the others...
 

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2009, 05:19 PM »
I have had the opportunity to watch this tree develop over the years.  I have to admit that when Ken first did the carving I was not a fan, but as with so many things that I have learned from Ken, patience and time is invaluable in the maturity of this tree. Although I enjoy this tree just as it is...I do think that the general style and the nature of this species would be complimented by a much larger and shallower container.  Unfortunately, the cost of a container such as I'm suggesting in the virtual below makes this not very realistic. 
 

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2009, 06:51 PM »
Thanks for the virt John.
I do not think that the roots would go in that shallow of a pot. After looking at the virt that wessel did  and this one, I can see this tree in a different, more shallow and longer pot, but it would have to be deeper than that.
I know You thought I was crazy when I carved this tree, I remember  You asking "What are going to do with that?"
Ken 
 

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2009, 10:51 PM »
I'm beyond impressed in the way you have gone about creating this beautiful tree.  I would never have guessed how you created this.  Rockm has a great point about the round pot.  While the other views are very interesting it is clear right away that this is one hollowed out trunk.  Those views give away the secret. 

Tom
 

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2009, 06:28 AM »
Rockm and Tom I thank You both for your concurring thoughts. I have to agree.
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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2009, 08:45 AM »
Ken,

I don't think the shallower pot would be prohibitive with BC horticulturally speaking. I have a collected BC with a 7" basal flare in a pot that is less than 4" deep and about 20" long and 18" wide. Since BC can take extreme root pruning, I managed to reduce a pretty big collected root mass into a flat 3" deep  mass in about 4 years, just by sawing off larger dominant roots every other year at repotting. I expected the BC, with it's extremely aggressive root growth, to push itself out of such a shallow pot in a year. It hasn't done so. It's been in this pot for 5 years now and gets root pruned every three.

The shallower, wider pot could actually be better for it, since long, low pots retain more moisture than deeper narrower pots--Deeper pots drain more quickly and thoroughly than wider shallower containers.

Although the cost of a large container is prohibitive, it's not undoable. As I mentioned, working with a specialist, domestic potter can reduce costs and yield a better container.

P.S. John's virtual pot could be a bit shorter with a grey/green wood ash matte glaze ;D, but I like the composition very much with more "breathing room."
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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2009, 06:44 AM »
Rockm,
I know that BC can live in a shallow pot but this one has roots that go deeper than you think.
It was cut flat on the bottom the day it was collected and has developed a root system in the last 11 years where there is a hole in the center with roots that radiate from it and grow downward.
I feel that it could fit into a pot that is 4" deep and work, but if any more of the surface roots were exposed, it will not look as good.
Using a deeper pot should not effect the moisture retention that much because the soil that I use for BC holds a lot of moisture.
Thank You for your input I do see a change in this trees future.
Ken
 

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Re: 4th July Cypress
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2009, 09:58 PM »
Hey Ken,
When you guys leave the water elms in the bucket of water:
1. Do you bare-root first? Or just plop it in there however it comes out of the ground?

2. Do you change out the water on a regular basis?

Thanks,
Nick