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John Kirby

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Re: time to get some trees.
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2014, 08:23 PM »
Black Pine technique is Black Pine technique. Until you get more experience with your climate and timing, you will need to study the timing of your actions. Like for Trident Maples, you will need to provide good winter and early growing season protection from cold . JBP like summer heat, but Boon gets good growth even in his low humidity, cooler summer location.
 

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Re: time to get some trees.
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2014, 01:03 AM »
Holy cow Mr Kirby your avatar is terrifying!
Seriously I have some sort of mental hang up about teeth like that!
 

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Re: time to get some trees.
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2014, 04:08 PM »
Take information from every "master" you can find, and combine the information until your trees seem happy.

That sounds like a recipe for disaster, or at best, indecision.
 

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Re: time to get some trees.
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2014, 05:53 PM »
I have a few maples, usualy after the leaves have become colorful and fall off I pull what is left and place the trees in the garage. I am worried about the maple I bought from Brent. This is its first year and although according to the hardiness zones Michigan is well within the temperature range, this tree has never been exposed to a Michigan winter.

On a separate note I did find a nice 2.5 inch trunk boxwood on sale for 20$ at Home Depot! 
 

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Re: time to get some trees.
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2014, 04:51 PM »
About new stock from California - your maples, if you received them before the middle of August, they will have plenty of time to adjust to your climate, time to mature and "harden off" for winter. If you purchased them after August, the trees will not have had time to adjust, they definitely will need extra protection.

Remember, you picked up a Pinus nigra - the European Black pine. It is a single flush of foliage pine for most in zone 5 and colder. It may behave differently in more mild climates, but this far north P. nigra is a single flush pine. This means discussion of the timing of techniques would be similar to what is done for Scotts Pine - P. sylvestris, and Ponderosa Pine - P. pondersosa. P. sylvestris comes from the same parts of Europe as P. nigra.

Japanese Black Pines - JBP - Pinus thunbergiana - is what many bonsai people call "black pine" - this is a different creature entirely from the European Black Pine - P. nigra. It is more of a sub-tropical pine, it regularly and reliably sends out 2 flushes of growth every year, even into zone 5, and the timing of treatments is entirely different than what you should do for P. nigra. Boon's videos are about P. thunbergiana, not P. nigra.

This confusion comes from the habit people have of using common names and not being clear on which species they are actually discussing.

Sorry if this adds more confusion, but it is not too difficult once you get the hang of it. Your tree, P. nigra, should be treated as a single flush of growth, 2 needle pine. Look for information about Scotts Pine, P. sylvestris and European Black Pine, P. nigra for tips on how to grow this. There are a lot of nice bonsai from P. nigra, but mostly on European web groups, because it is not often used in the USA.

Hope this helps.
 

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Re: time to get some trees.
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2014, 05:20 PM »
it should be pointed out that where boon lives is in the San Fransisco bay area.on a hot day it may only get into the high 70.s while the rest of us in the rest of California our in the 90-100+.   even in the winter it is very moderate there.
 

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Re: time to get some trees.
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2014, 09:01 PM »
Actually, most of the techniques for JBP have proven successful all across the states and into Canada (not to mention other parts of the world).

Austrian Black Pine should do quite well for you in Michigan, provided you're patient and keep the tree healthy.

One of the reasons Austrian Black Pine is available in Michigan is because Japanese Black Pine is marginal.  Does not like the extreme occurrences of winter like last winter.  Back in the day I worked for Franks Nursery and they stop handling JBP just for that reason.