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Title: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on October 27, 2009, 10:55 PM
August 6th, 2007

I thought I might share a progression of a 'Wintergreen' Juniper I bought last fall. I like this juniper as it has mature foliage similar to a Shimpaku. Even when I trimmed it back hard I got very little juvenile growth. It responded with a great flush of foliage when I hacked it back to establish the primary branching.

As you can see from the photos, I chopped the top into a "v" and used the stub to pull the new top upward from a former branch. The stub will become a future shari once the new apex is set.

I found inspiration for my tree from a picture in Andy Rutledge's online book Artistic Foundations of Bonsai Design. The photo is originally from Bonsai Today so I'll link to it http://www.andyrutledge.com/book/contents/challenges.htm (http://www.andyrutledge.com/book/contents/challenges.htm).  It is the 2nd picture down on the page.

It reminds me of the tall evergreens in Washington State near Seattle.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on October 27, 2009, 10:58 PM
August 6th, 2007

This virt is where I'd like to go with this tree next spring. The third virt (pic) is with the top of the tree straightened out more.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on October 27, 2009, 11:01 PM
October 18th, 2008

I left extra foliage on the top of the tree to help set the original chop. In the pics I've covered the top with a black piece of fabric.

pic 1 with top uncovered
pic 2 front
pic 3 right
pic 4 back



I plan to remove the top next spring...leaving a stub to make a jin. This jin will have to be made the proper size to keep it in scale as if this tree is a massive Washington state Spruce or Fir seen from a distance.  There are other branch stubs on the trunk that I'll have to jin keeping them in scale as well. More refinement of branching is needed.

Repot into a bonsai pot in 2009 or 2010?
Suggestions on shape/ color/size of pot?
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on October 27, 2009, 11:03 PM
October 27th, 2009

Wanted to show a quick update on this tree. The apex is beginning to develop and I will consider repotting next spring as the top growth is rapid in the nursery pot. Thinking about an oval shallow pot in a dark brown color - planting it slightly off-center. I want to use Boon's technique to thin foliage pads instead of only pinching tips.

I did a virt of one of my pot choices (shallow oval). Another choice would be a shallow round pot. A third choice would be a slab but I want to reduce the root pad slowly over several repots so as not to be too severe and risk killing it.

There is a flare to the nebari area that is not apparent in the photos which will give the tree more appearance of age and a feeling of stability.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: bonsaikc on October 28, 2009, 10:42 AM
Eric,
I guess I missed this thread somehow. Very nice work so far. I hope your chop location heals like you want. If it doesn't don't despair. This image could be just as good with a proper jin at the top, although some might feel that's been "done to death." I like where you are going with this tree, however, I'd suggest considering pulling the branches down much farther than what you have shown in your virtual. If they droop immediately at the trunk, and then pull slightly more horizontal at the tips, they will show more clearly the struggle of an alpine tree against snow loads.

Chris
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on October 28, 2009, 06:25 PM
Thanks for the thoughts Chris. 

The dates go back to postings on another forum.  I like this forum and the civil and helpful advice so I posted the progression here also.  The thread here acts as another place to preserve the progression seeing that Bt is still not back up.

Good thought on the branch droop as many mature spruce show what you are describing.  The three lowest branches droop considerably  but intermediate ones need more. 

As the branching approaches the top would they be somewhat more horizontal?
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: bonsaikc on October 29, 2009, 10:03 AM
Eric,
They can be, but need not be if the top shows an ancient jin. Of course they should droop a bit less at any rate indicating a younger, smaller branch.

Thank you for your kind words. I hope more folk who were active at other forums will check in with us and find that they like a bit more cordial atmosphere where we raise the level of discourse and enjoy bonsai and each other. Thanks for being here.

Chris
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: Jerry Norbury on October 29, 2009, 01:14 PM
Eric

Lovely progression. Most beginners can learn an awful lot from this.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: davestree on October 29, 2009, 06:12 PM
Thanks for showing what can be done with a good plan and some time.  Good work !
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on November 14, 2009, 11:36 AM
Found an amazing rock I think I'll use for this tree.  The rock will compliment the "wild"  feel of the tree.

It is 28" across, 16" wide and has a slight scoop where the tree will be planted.  It even has three natural looking "feet" that it sits on.  In the pics I've included you can see the arrow where the tree will be planted.  As soon as I get the chance I'll do up a virt with tree and rock together...(or if someone else wants to try a virt, be my guest  ;) )

I'll do some drainage and wire holes in the bottom when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on November 14, 2009, 01:33 PM
Quick virt
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ksbonsai on November 14, 2009, 08:34 PM
I like the look on the rock.  It fits well with the overall image.  I think a jin at the top would add a lot to the design. 


Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: Larry Gockley on November 15, 2009, 10:24 AM
Hi Eric. The idea of planting the tree on a rock got my attention. I love rock plantings. If you need to cut a more suitable cavity in the rock for roots, heres a picture of a rock I hollowed out for a Texas Ebony. I got a diamond dust coated blade for my 4" grinder. You may have already done this, but here it is just in case. Good luck. Larry
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on November 15, 2009, 10:31 PM
Thanks Larry for the photo illustration!!  What you did looks great.

 I may have to modify the depth and size of the opening in my rock as well.  Did you drill drainage holes and what did you use for that?
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: Larry Gockley on November 16, 2009, 07:45 AM
Hi Eric. When I was done grinding a pocket, I put it on a level surface and poured a bit of water in to determine the exact bottom, and then drilled a drainage hole with a drill bit designed for ceramic tile. Looking forward to seeing your's "potted". Larry
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: Jerry Norbury on November 16, 2009, 08:50 AM
Tufa rock is a LOT easier.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on September 28, 2010, 07:02 PM
Current condition of the tree.  The second pic is a virt with fuller foliage pads.  I may pot the tree on the rock next spring.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: Don Blackmond on September 29, 2010, 09:36 AM
it looks great.  nice work.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: Mike Pollock on September 29, 2010, 09:57 AM
I really love these tall, stately trees. Can't wait to see it develop even more over time. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: Jerry Norbury on September 29, 2010, 03:15 PM
I agree - this is very nice. Stately.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on May 03, 2011, 11:20 PM
I repotted this Juniper onto the rock today. 

I didn't have to remove any live roots to get the tree into position!  I did remove a few dead roots and old growing media that had decayed into black goo. 

The first pic is the originally planned "front" of tree and rock.  However, after planting the tree onto the rock, I also like the "back" (second pic) as much if not better than the "front".  There is a better root flare on the "back" of the tree.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on May 03, 2011, 11:21 PM
These close-up pics show extra rocks (red arrows) I added to the top of the growing media which adds more of a natural feel to the composition as if the tree is actually growing on a mountain ledge.  (1st pic original front and 2nd pic is the back.)  I'm not sure yet whether I'll leave the added rocks to show the tree.  If I do leave the extra rocks I'll plant moss in the gaps.

 I also am pondering adding a few tiny perennial plants further out from the tree so the scene is not quite as stark. "Tiny" perennials with small foliage/flowers so that the proper scale is preserved.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on June 01, 2012, 09:50 PM
Finally ready for display at the 32nd Ohio Regional Bonsai Show at Dawes Arboretum!!

The top seems too thick in the 2D pic but just right when seen in person.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: Chrisl on June 02, 2012, 01:19 AM
Really nice Eric!  I really like it.  And Good Luck in the show  ;D
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on February 20, 2014, 06:27 PM
I just found some pics of my repotting of this tree in Spring 2010.

This tree was nursery-grown in peat-based growing media so the media had decayed into a black organic goo. I rinsed the roots out so that this goo would not cause root rot when I potted it up into my porous bonsai media. This tree responded very well to this treatment. (not recommeded for pines by the pine experts but I've rinsed roots with a water jet for deciduous trees, Taxus, and Junipers with no ill effects)
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on February 20, 2014, 06:30 PM
Tree on display at the 33rd Ohio Regional Bonsai Show at Dawes Arboretum, June 8th-9th, 2013.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: ericrobinson on February 20, 2014, 06:31 PM
1st pic is from the Dawes Arboretum show in June 2013. 2nd pic taken  8-30-13. Good amount of summer growth.
Title: Re: Progression - Juniperus c. 'Wintergreen'
Post by: tmmason10 on February 21, 2014, 11:26 AM
That last image is really nice, well done.