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General Category => Evergreen Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: SpongeMann on February 11, 2015, 10:50 PM

Title: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 11, 2015, 10:50 PM
Collecting in sand scrubs is easy digging . The only problem is the tap root.  I got a couple of Long leaf Pine and some Sand Pine.
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 11, 2015, 11:02 PM
My nephew likes going tree hunting with me. He had a blast. He found a sink hole that was atleast 30 feet wide.
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 11, 2015, 11:08 PM
The first few pics are Long leaf pine
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 11, 2015, 11:20 PM
The trunks have bud popping all over the trunk. A lot of people may not like certain material because they aren't bonsai  worthy. But I like them too even if they will end up pretty big. Here are the sand pine
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 11, 2015, 11:32 PM
I have small sand pines that I collected last year. These have good flexible leaders that will heal the final trunk chops.
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 12, 2015, 12:38 AM
I have a few more places to go. Hopefully I can find better material. I still can't get to the bald cypress till the bog dries up a bit.I found a little sweetbay magnolia that has nice roots and movement. Yes the leaves are big but they reduce enough for me and I get them to back bud by snapping the trunk and only leaving a strip of cambium to the top of the tree. It works every time.
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: Anthony on February 12, 2015, 05:05 AM
Spongeman,

looks interesting. Please send the results are your efforts continue on. On our side we are testing the Caribbean/Honduran pine.

What is the red stuff - coconut fibre ?
Thanks for posting.
Good Day
Anthony
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 12, 2015, 08:32 AM
Hi Anthony . I am from the carribean also. I am from Puerto Rico. I would really like to see the carribean pine. Feel free to add a pick to the thread. I will definitely keep up on the posts.These trees should recover well since they were growing in sand . I was able to get a lot of fine roots and the tap roots were real short. I would like to style my long leaf pine similar too a slash pine I saw on the internet. Here is the http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i85.servimg.com/u/f85/13/55/60/08/001_bs16.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t1255-best-tree-in-nature&h=586&w=800&tbnid=w7Kaswy5nnvKwM:&zoom=1&docid=Lr_oj4s_tBr4FM&ei=fqrcVMryB-fksATJ5oL4Dw&tbm=isch&client=ms-android-metropcs-us&ved=0CB0QMygAMAA (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i85.servimg.com/u/f85/13/55/60/08/001_bs16.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t1255-best-tree-in-nature&h=586&w=800&tbnid=w7Kaswy5nnvKwM:&zoom=1&docid=Lr_oj4s_tBr4FM&ei=fqrcVMryB-fksATJ5oL4Dw&tbm=isch&client=ms-android-metropcs-us&ved=0CB0QMygAMAA)
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: Anthony on February 12, 2015, 09:30 AM
Spongemann,
[ have a real name ? ]

I kinda figured Puerto Rico. Yeah, my Brother-in -law [ Khaimraj ] is an IBCer from around 1998/1999, he does the designing, I just weed/water and help with the repotting [ as I just finished reminding Sorce  ;D ] and the photography.

Here are two Caribbean pines, from seed.
Builder's gravel [ silica based ] 5mm and compost.

I will see about getting you two new images.
Both were just thinned and tested for training using the Japanese techniques for Black pines.
The little one in the image is a J.B.pine and J.B.pines grow easily down here.
Good Day
Anthony
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: Anthony on February 12, 2015, 09:33 AM
Forgot this side -
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 12, 2015, 10:05 PM
Hi Anthony. My name is Jonathan.  I like the Pine tree. I am going to look around. Someone has to sell them here in Florida.My brother is very successful He wants to open a business with me . I want to open a nursery that sell grafted fruit trees,ornamental and bonsai stock. who knows mayhe in future. The fiber on my plants are palm tree fibers
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: Anthony on February 13, 2015, 05:28 AM
Hello Jonathan,

I wish you all the best in business and life. If you ever get the chance, in Puerto Rico exists a local Celtis, might be fun to try and Bonsai.

The Caribbean pine has one problem, thickening the trunk. Additionally, because the seed we have is from Forestry, the trees are genetically bred to be poles.
I suspect, there are other types, more Bonsai friendly, just to find them.

Will try to get you some more recent images.
Good Day
Anthony
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 13, 2015, 03:41 PM
Thank you Anthony. I have a lot to learn still before I could start a business. I got fruit trees and ornamentals in the bag. Bonsai not so much lol. I have small pines that are growing unchecked Florida pines take years to grow a reasonable trunk. I am new to pines now I'm  learning how to harvest  pine, understanding sap flow,and general aftercare. I want to join a club and get further into bonsai . And get out there and see how the nurseries work .I  going have to check out the Celtis it might be a introduced species in Puerto Rico. One thing I really want to do is graft Soursop onto a Pond Apple rootstock. Here in Florida there were grafts done and it worked fine but they didn't  see it as being profitable because it had a dwarfing effect.  They produced smaller trees and less fruit. That is on this year's bucket list. It'll be kinda big but that's ok.  Have you tried to bonsai The pride of Barbados caesalpinia pulcherrima or Flamboyan  DelonixRegia ? I have a few seedlings  from last year that should take off this year.
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: Anthony on February 13, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jonathan,

how come you never met up with Pedro Morales, and he has a school for Tropical bonsai.

http://www.pedrojmorales.com/ (http://www.pedrojmorales.com/)

There were also quite a few members on IBC from Puerto Rico, and one was a lawyer who studies in Tiawan, with the big names.
That celtis is supposed to be local to Puerto Rico.

Flambouyant, and Pride of Barbados are not easy as bonsai, the Delonix regia dies back on branches, and requires grafting.
Max I have seen is 6 branches and no real branchlets, plus I have never seen the root formation as it is in nature.

I could give you few local names but in zone 9b, you would be better off with the Chinese imports, Elm, Sageretia t, Fukien tea, Podocarpus, Serissa s, or local Celtis, Swamp Cypress, Ligustrum, Illex yaupon, Ebanopsis [ Texas Ebony ] or the Texas persimmon, and maybe Malpighia e.

Locally, great success with Tamarindus, Local Ficus p., Gmelina, Clerodendron [ from Barbados ] A type of ironwood, that is not the Brazilian type, Chlorphora t , and a few locals that still have to have their latin names added on.

What about custard apple and the other cousins ?
Good Day
Anthony
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 13, 2015, 10:59 PM
Hey Anthony, it's funny you brought up Pedro Morales. I ve been planning a trip to Wigerts in Fort Myers Florida but I want to go when Pedro will be there. He does classes at Wigerts. So I plan to take a day class and see what they have in stock. I alos want to stop by a flea Market out there that sells grafted fruit trees at great prices. I tried to reply to your reply three times and it didn't appear on the forum. But here goes four. Well as you know we Boricuas love the Delonix and I have to take a stab at it. I am yet to work on one but I think that Albizia j. is just as stubborn as a delonix. I've learned alot in the past year and I don't have problems with dieback of branches anymore because I overwinter them in a small walapini. And the leaves on one of my albizias  reduced last year to three inches long by an inch and a half wide . I have many seedlings going. I have Texas ebony ,Texas mountain laurel, pride of Barbados varieties, delonix, and lacebark elm among a few others. They are in pots still. I want to make a bigger walapini and plant the yearlings in the ground inside. Because right now the weather is going to drop to the  twenties and thirties. All my tropical trees in pots are in the walapini and the ones in the ground have blankets on them. I looked into the Celtis I and I didn't find any for p.r. But I will ask my uncle In P.R.  I am always open to any advice or tips from forum members. So don't be a stranger and feel free to throw some advice this way. Have a good night
Jonathan
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 19, 2015, 07:04 PM
What's up guys. One of my client's called me and told me to go by her house .She told me she had a tree growing on her property that she wanted  have. In return I pruned her roses, hawthorns ,boxwoods and  other bushes .
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 19, 2015, 07:15 PM
I noticed her 6 1/2 foot Azalea had a crazy amount of suckers at the base. Her Azalea flowers in the spring. So I started pruning them down . So the energy will go elsewhere. I  used my big loppers close to the trunk and cut some suckers and they were rooted. So I removed the pine bark mulch from the base. The mulch is 8to 12 inches deep around the tree. Most of the suckers were rooted because her gardener doesn't remove the mulch before  laying fresh mulch. Thank you gardener. These are just a few.
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 19, 2015, 07:21 PM
All of these were "potted" . I put t in the rest in the ground.
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on February 19, 2015, 07:39 PM
The tree had a clump of suckers that fused at the base . I cut them off in one piece. I plan on splitting it when I buy some pots. It has a thick mat of feeder roots a foot long.
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: Rick on May 26, 2015, 05:18 PM
Good afternoon:
I have a Sand Pine that I purchased a little over a year ago.  It has been in a Bonsai pot for about three years.  It has been doing very well until about a week ago when the tips of some needles started turning brown and some have died completely and fallen off.  Help ???
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on December 11, 2015, 10:32 AM
Hi Rick. Sorry , I haven't been on the forum for a while.  Any luck with the sand pine?
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Post by: Indo Andreas on May 05, 2016, 06:55 AM
Nice progression
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: SpongeMann on June 27, 2016, 10:11 AM
Thank you Indo
Title: Re: Pine collecting in a Central Florida Sand Scrub
Post by: Leo in NE Illinois on August 19, 2016, 01:00 PM
Any photo updates on your Sand Pine or azaleas this year?