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John Kirby

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2011, 02:27 PM »
Well, the pot thing is always tough. I would put a finished tree in a much smaller pot, at least shallower because of the elegant and slender trunk line. The refinement of the pot that you have selected is great, curved with soft corners and edges- and a good color, it works well. I think the concept that the pot and the tree should harmonize is critical, Ryan's comment that the pot should never detract from the tree, that is by standing out or overpowering the tree is key. An example, look at some of the pots that Mr. Kimura puts his trees in, the Antique Chinese pots are worth many thousands (and in some cases much more) of dollars,  most trees would be made inconsequential by the pot, but the right superb quality trees can use the pot and by enhanced by it.

The tree and the pot should harmonize, there is a huge component of esthetic and a good deal of proportional requirement here, you have made a very nice choice that will allow you to enjoy the tree great deal over the next several years. One thing that I have found (this is strongly influence by Boon)  is that it is often fun to change pot and tree combinations at repotting, frequently you can get a whole new perspective on your tree.

Good Luck,
John

PS- the little Trident that was the tree of the Month for AUgust (at the top of the page for a few more days) is planted in a very nice Erin pot, however, when the tree is shown it will be shown in a much smaller pot that won't make it feel so much like it is swimming in a big pool.....
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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2011, 11:10 AM »
Sorry John for the late reply, I worked late last night.  But I wanted to Thank You very much for elaborating on this issue and in such great detail.  I've got a lot to learn about the whole pot selection process.  I knew the pot might be a bit large based on the "rules":  W=2/3 ht, L= 1/2 ht and D= Diam. of trunk.  But thought it would work (and I was concerned about going to small, too fast, considering the 6" depth of the pot.)  

I broke out "The Magician" to see Mr. Kimura's pots...didn't pay attention my first read thru to be honest.  I now see what you mean.  The pots do harmonize very well with his bonsais.  And now that I think about it more deliberately, I think I chose the pot more for the 'harmony' to the tree and less thought about the sizing.  It looked good to me at the time despite the "rules".  I'm at least glad that the pot will work for me and the Cypress for now.  And what a good idea to change the pot over time for a new look...interesting to learn it came from Boon ;)

I looked at the your little Trident.  First off, really nice bonsai John!  Secondly, the Erin pot is very nice! But I see what you mean considering it's only 6" tall.  Shohin bonsai with large fat trunks must be a bit difficult choosing pots, esp. if you go by the "rules".  

And I also wanted to let you know I appreciate your long term styling tips for a Cypress:   I think Boon posted a sawara here somewhere, the key is that you want it to be dense enough to give the feel of ramification, yet open enough to allow light, air, etc in to the core of the tree.

The key point is to wire it completely, develop the pads and then pinch and prune as appropriate to form the density and silhouette. If you don't get in to the rhythm of wiring, pinching, pruning, repeat, you won't get the tree that you expect to.


This bonsai DOES need wiring and some pinching and pruning right now.  The pads are weak, as well as the ramification.  It's not what I envision as 'finished' right now.  Good branch structure, but needs working.  Do you think it's a good time to wire it up and leave it on over winter, or wait till late winter?  And start the pinching and pruning next spring?

(I'm going to track down Boons Cyress thread now.  Thanks for the info, I'd love some examples of well done Cypress')

 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2011, 11:29 AM »
Wow, what a beauty that Cypress of Boon's is!  And totally different plant morphology too.  I did a google search on 'Sawara Cypress', and came up with all these diff. varietals:

Chamaecyparis pisifera 'Baby Blue'   Baby Blue Sawara Cypress
Chamaecyparis pisifera 'Boulevard'   Blue Moss Cypress
Chamaecyparis pisifera 'Golden Mops'   Golden Mops Threadleaf Falsecypress
Chamaecyparis pisifera 'Plumosa Juniperoides'   Sawara False Cypress
Chamaecyparis pisifera 'Squarrosa Minima'   Miniature Moss False Cypress
Chamaecyparis pisifera 'True Blue'   True Blue Sawara Cypress

Now I have no idea exactly which one I have LOL  Could be the Baby Blue, Boulevard, or True Blue.  They all looked the same to me from what I could tell.

But anyway, I'm amazed at the full, well developed pads and density Boon was able to achieve.  Amazing!
 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2011, 11:54 AM »
I assume this is the thread you're talking about?

http://bonsaistudygroup.com/conifer-bonsai-discussion/sawara-cypress/

Very nice tree. I have seen a couple of really nice boulevard cypress bonsai around here (Rochester area), including one formal upright that was spectacular. That tree prompted me to buy one last fall from a local nursery (not a bonsai nursery) in the hopes of creating such a specimen. Unfortunately it did not have the branch structure so I've had to go a different route entirely. I've read many places that they are not easy to work with due to the tendency of foliage/branches to die back if they don't get enough sun, and the lack of backbudding. We'll see...

Chris

 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2011, 12:34 PM »
Yes Chris, that's it.  I've seen recently two Boulevards on display at the Chicago Botanic Garden's bonsai display.  I may have some pics, if so I'll post them as they were awesome trees!

I'm glad John mentioned the lack of back budding as the seller didn't tell me that very important info.  

Note, I was going to post the work I've done on the Shimpaku but thought I'd start a new thread.  But I will post the pics of the Boulevards if I can find them.
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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2011, 01:41 PM »
Here they are.  The first was 3-4' tall.  The second, 2-3'.
 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2011, 11:30 AM »
Can I wire and style the Boulevard Cypress now that fall is here?  I've cut back foliage on too large of branches, and left untouched, branches that need to thicken the branches as the branch size isn't great, I have larger branches above lower branches.  And it needs wiring.   
 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2011, 07:18 PM »
i really like the thoes tree's Chrisl, but i really like the second pic...i like the way the trees lean...really nice work..how long have you had them for?
 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2011, 01:38 AM »
I wish I could say they were mine, those two B. Cypress' are from the Bonsai Collection from the Chicago Botanic Garden.  But I agree, they are great trees!
 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2011, 11:23 AM »
Can I wire and style the Boulevard Cypress now that fall is here?  I've cut back foliage on too large of branches, and left untouched, branches that need to thicken the branches as the branch size isn't great, I have larger branches above lower branches.  And it needs wiring.   

Anyone?
 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2011, 08:49 PM »
Is it strong and healthy?  Is it growing well?  NOw is a fine time to wire. Be sure to take (and post) before and after pictures.
 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2011, 12:41 PM »
Great!!  Thank You John!  It is very strong and healthy.  I'll def. take some pics as I go along.  Plus, it's just been fantastic weather for working outside and not sweating my fanny off!  Which makes working with the trees even more fun.
Again, Thanks for the info!
 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2011, 11:22 AM »
Ok,  Here's how far I've gotten so far.  I'm slow so this part took about 3 hrs lol  The first pic is the same as the beginning of this thread, with nothing done to it.  The second shows the partial wiring job.  I'm getting off work early so I'll have another 3-4 hrs to work on it today. 
 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2011, 11:24 AM »
I'll post some more pics of more of the wiring today.  Hope you like it Matsu! 
 

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Re: My new acquisitions from the Midwest Show
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2011, 04:24 PM »
Chris, I read this thread with interest, as I don't know of many good boulivard cypress personally.  I'm sure there are plenty out there. I do like yours, I have one that was a nursery stock plant that I've been working for 4 years now.  I've found that if you keep on pinching throughout the season, that they do backbud if it's healthy and growing well.  I've had good luck with that on my tree.  I've pinched by twisting the new growth, that gives a clean break and it's pretty easy.  I do mine about every 2-3 weeks, as it seems to put out new growth pretty fast.  And that's given me some new budding inside, which I need.  I have also found that micro climate seems to matter a lot to these trees, they do so love cool humid air.  And BTW I LOVE the pot.  Mine is in a round green glaze drum, but I really dig the pot you've chosen.  Cheers!