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VanceWood

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Re: mugo
« Reply #45 on: October 19, 2014, 07:07 PM »
Vance,
Not sure what the point is. if I remember correctly most of the issues for you with a Boon student revolved around Mr. Heath, not bonsai.

Mugo pines didn't work well for us in Arkansas, glad to hear they work well for others in the south. I never wasted my time trying them in Bonsai culture because we couldn't get 5 years out of them in the irrigated landscape. Besides that I wasn't going to waste my time on big box nursery stock, where mugos wete sold.

Mugos do well here in CT. We are using species in containers to play with the species. I would be more interested if I could get collected trees. While I haven't seen any North American Mugos that I really like, the collected trees in Europe can be spectacular.



Sorry you are angry.

I am no angrier than you or anyone else would be if, for no reason at all, the things I documented to you and anyone else who would care to read them would be if they had been said about you.  You are also wrong that this has anything to do with Will Heath, you are the only one to mention his name.   If I had said anything to provoke this attack I would not be so miffed but I just joined this site and had not said a word on this thread until I found this flood of crap.

I think there is an old saying to the fact:   You are welcome to your own opinion but not your own set of factls. What's the point???? I could ask GBHunter the same question and my issues with a "Boon Student" was not mentioned.  Why did he find it necessary to bring this up? 

And as to Mugo not lasting more than five years??? I would bet you lose them after the fitst time they are repotted.

There is also another proverb:  Don't whiz down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Re: mugo
« Reply #46 on: October 19, 2014, 07:09 PM »
They were never repotted they were in the landscape.

 

VanceWood

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Re: mugo
« Reply #47 on: October 19, 2014, 07:17 PM »
They were never repotted they were in the landscape.



Are you telling me that no one in Rhode Island can grow Mugo Pines in a landscape?  That my friend sounds like a lot of crap.  I have seen them growing in areas with less hospitable climate than Rhode Island, and have been there for twenty-five to fifty years. 
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #48 on: October 19, 2014, 07:26 PM »
Vance, it was Arkansas, before I moved east 4 years ago. They do fine here.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #49 on: October 19, 2014, 08:50 PM »
Vance, it was Arkansas, before I moved east 4 years ago. They do fine here.

That is possible.  But; I have seen them growing in Texas in the landscape. 
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #50 on: October 20, 2014, 09:58 AM »
Personally the fact that Boon considers me significant enough to comment on my existence is a sort of compliment.  Personally I have nothing against Boon but I do have difficulties with his students.

I think you're misreading what's been said. 

Really:  following is a copy of each of these comments.  How would you take them if pointed at you or the organization you have been associated with many years?

You're twisting the argument.  I don't really care how you take them.  I'm just trying to redirect you to the actual words ...and point out that you don't have much evidence that he commented on your existence.

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Vance is in the local club here. The one that Boon and others told me to stay clear of or I would pick up bad information and bonsai habits.

I was in that club for a year and was very disappointed(I will avoid specifics but there are reasons) thats when I talked to Boon and onthers and was advised not to join it. Everyone recommended the Ann Arbor bonsai club.
These are NOT BOON'S words.  These are someone pointing out that a comment was made about a club ...and re-emphasizing for the forum that you belong to that club.  That's not Boon saying anything about YOU.  Your club maybe, not you.  Not Boon commenting on your existence.

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Boon was an afterthought.  I already did not like this club for my reasons plus Boon was not the only one. I am not saying your experience will be thesame as mine. I was unhappy there and left I did not like the way I was treated, talked to the ppresident of the club to let him know why im leaving. I was very disappointed at the excuse I was given for the members behavior and left. Never looked back. Im not following Boon like a mindles drone its just what he said was true in my experience.
There aren't even any supposed quotes by Boon here, so I wouldn't take any of this as a compliment that Boon commented on your existence.

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I left the club because I did not care for the way I was being treated! Not because anyone told me not to join. AFTER that incident Boon and others stated they knew the club and have students in Michigan that leveled the same complaints I did. So YES these people where there and yes they did not like it and yes former members have stated the same objections to the club that I did. Mine were a bit more personal but similar. Please do not put type in my message where there was none. It was a person that was a member of said club that went to train with other masters and they could not believe how badly he was trained. These people have also gone to the Bonsai show and one of these people said "if thats the kind of plants you want to make then this is the club for you! But if you are looking for real bonsai then check this club out(they would give me a card). I dont care if you have a good experience,  I know that I was not welcome there!
We have in this quote the notion that Boon's aware of your CLUB's existence, but no reason to suspect he'd know you from Adam.  Nothing in THIS quote has information that can logically conclude that Boon is talking about Vance Wood.

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I have some photos but for whatever reason they dont post. I will keep working on it. I was treated badly by the members. I did not care what their trees look like, I just repeat what I was told, its just their opinion anyway so who cares. But the way the members behaved was not an opinion.
Boon's not even referenced here.  No reason to think he's commenting on your existence.

Vance, I didn't spell it out for you in my previous reply hoping that you'd reconsider your position and re-read what was posted.  I point out above that, as I mentioned above, I believe you're misreading if you feel like any of these comments attributed to Boon were ABOUT you.  Take offense on behalf of your club maybe, but understand what's being said.


For the record, I've never met Boon, and don't have any immediately feasible plans to do so.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2014, 10:38 AM »
Come on man you are the one misreading my post.  No where was I coming against Boon.  My entier involvement with this thread has been pointed at GBHunter not Boon.  I don't know Boon and have never talked to him but how do you justify this quote from GBHunter:  

Vance is in the local club here. The one that Boon and others told me to stay clear of or I would pick up bad information and bonsai habits. ?  That's pretty clear, right out of the blue before I even entered the thread.  I understand very well what is being said,.  You look at it as being nothing because, frankly, you don't have a dog in this hunt.  It means nothing to you on a personal level. 
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Re: mugo
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2014, 11:03 AM »
Vance.

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Personally the fact that Boon considers me significant enough to comment on my existence is a sort of compliment.

You're misreading things if you think that "Boon considers" you "significant enough to comment on" your "existence".  There is NOTHING in this thread that should lead a reasonable, logical, literate individual to believe that Boon knows your name.  Re-read my comments. 

I'll admit to not having much to take offense to in this thread, ...except you misreading ...probably (and understandably) because something less than positive was mentioned about something that you value: your club.

I'm not addressing that.  I'm simply addressing your comment about Boon commenting about you and you taking it as a compliment.  He didn't comment about you, so to take it as a compliment is ...wrong.

 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2014, 11:45 AM »
I'm sure Boon does not consider me significant at all.  But GGHunter seemed to imply differently.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2014, 09:42 PM »
this is pissing me off. First please read the #$/ damn thread. I dont know you Mr.Wood, but this is the type of shit I got at the club. I repeated what was told to me, I did not attack you personally, someone asked if that is the club you are in and I answer that is all. Also if you have shit to say I suggest addressing me, not talk. Like I'm a third party. What are you 14 year old girl?
 Boon had no damn clue who was in the club when he told me to avoid it! You would be very surprised at the people that told me not to join for a fact I know you know a few of them or thats what they say. I personally am done with this argument if reading and comprehension is an issue for you then thats your problem. Some of the members called me and asked me to join as they wanted young blood. After this exchange forget it!
This issue is closed.





 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2014, 10:04 PM »
this is pissing me off. First please read the #$/ damn thread. I dont know you Mr.Wood, but this is the type of shit I got at the club. I repeated what was told to me, I did not attack you personally, someone asked if that is the club you are in and I answer that is all. Also if you have shit to say I suggest addressing me, not talk. Like I'm a third party. What are you 14 year old girl?
 Boon had no damn clue who was in the club when he told me to avoid it! You would be very surprised at the people that told me not to join for a fact I know you know a few of them or thats what they say. I personally am done with this argument if reading and comprehension is an issue for you then thats your problem. Some of the members called me and asked me to join as they wanted young blood. After this exchange forget it!
This issue is closed.
 Why should you be mad? You're just the one who posted what Boon said about the bonsai club. Correct? Not you or your club who was hurt by what you posted. I say hurt because you spread information you say Boon told you. Did he really? Or you making things up because it was you who couldn't learn from them and don't want to look inept so you blame them?






 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2014, 10:39 PM »
Thanks for the support Mike.  If I had his real name we might be able to get to the bottom of this debacle.  However this is something we will probably never know.

On another issue that of Mugos in the landscape.   I have seen Mugos in a landscape in Southern Utah, you cannot get much more Mugo unfriendly than Southern Utah;
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2014, 01:00 AM »
O wei ... why do so many bonsai people look inward so much so that every disagreement becomes a battle...sure I think gb should have considered that those words about the said club would offend someone, but jumping in all guns blazing only aggravated the situation even more...hence nobody wins and most leave this argument with a grudge...

I'm guilty of this too...but now I see what is the end result of an argument such as this.

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Re: mugo
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2014, 04:54 AM »
I hated the way I was treatedat the club, anquit thats it. If I am inept it would not be the firs time. I am a moron, I take up valuable space amd resources. To be honest I should be put ouy of my misery like a lame hore.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2014, 08:26 AM »
I hated the way I was treatedat the club, anquit thats it. If I am inept it would not be the firs time. I am a moron, I take up valuable space amd resources. To be honest I should be put ouy of my misery like a lame hore.

Without details I have no way to address the issue.  You said you hated the way you were treated at the club?  Usually when I hate something bad enough I want to make it public, I at least remember the details.  Your implications verge on slander.   

You will not tell me what happened and claim now to not remember much.  If this is how you feel, and this is how it is, why did you bring it up?  That's kind of like stomping on one of those catchup packets you get at McDonalds--- then bitching about it to everybody you know because you got catchup on your pants and shoes.  To be honest with you I don't think you are inept or a moron I think your are the product of your own choices.  You just have to make different choices and one of them is learn how to listen.  I suspect you did not get treated with kid gloves while at Four Seasons.