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mugo
« on: August 19, 2014, 08:57 PM »
Is there a way to make this tree bac bud?
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2014, 10:19 PM »
 Next July remove the years new growth all the way down to where it started growing that year. This will force it to back bud.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2014, 08:16 AM »
Remove even more. cut back into old needles
And feed, feed, feed.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2014, 09:23 AM »
I feel like it should be said up front that I've very little experience with mugo. 

One of the universal truths of getting backbudding is to ensure the health and VIGOR of the tree.  Healthy vigorously growing trees are better able to respond to whatever method is chosen to induce backbudding.

Soil.  Sun.  Water.  Fertilizer.  Copious amounts of those last 3.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2014, 12:26 PM »
There's a lot of information from 'Vance Wood' on Bonsai nut. They have a compiled thread here: http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?14635-A-question-for-Vance-Wood

I only have one mugo and very little experience with it.

According to what I've read, generally they backbud at the base of old needles (unlike JBP). So leave needles where you want buds to grow. (That doesn't mean you won't get backbudding from needle-less branches, just less likely)
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2014, 02:42 PM »
  Vance was trying to register here too but was having problems. Don't know if he got it resolved or not. Hes the man. And also a friend. He probably knows more about Mugo pines than anyone. Google Mugo pine bonsai and the trees you see are his. This is one I got to see this summer when I visited him at his clubs show.
 
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2014, 10:17 PM »
Actually Vance is the North American Nursery Mugo guy , look to Europe to see what the collected trees look like.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2014, 11:56 PM »
Vance did register here. He even posted a couple times.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 01:49 AM »
Vance is in the local club here. The one that Boon and others told me to stay clear of or I would pick up bad information and bonsai habits.

I am hoping to push the needles back into the "mound" ,the pot is intentionally oversized as the soil it came in was unacceptable.  Well while we are here ..lol..This question has been bouncing around between my two brain cells. For pines and other trees that dwell in forests why do we use inorganic soil? These trees grow in soil that is littered with organic debris in their natural enviroment, why not simulate that? I try to add some pine bark and in the fall some crushed leaves plus needles. In the spring these things other than pine bark are removed.

Paul C.
 

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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2014, 05:27 AM »
You should be able to push it back, young tree, good environment. Ask Vance what he foes, I will bet it is pretty similar, ifnor identical ti what mfrary posted .

Soil, pots and the forest are not the same thing. Conditions in the ground are much more forgiving than in a pot. In organic mixes have many advantages including uniformity both spatially and temporally. Lots written here and elsewhere on soils.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2014, 06:10 AM »
You should be able to push it back, young tree, good environment. Ask Vance what he foes, I will bet it is pretty similar, ifnor identical ti what mfrary posted .

Soil, pots and the forest are not the same thing. Conditions in the ground are much more forgiving than in a pot. In organic mixes have many advantages including uniformity both spatially and temporally. Lots written here and elsewhere on soils.

I was just curious thats all, thank you for the answer.
 

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2014, 10:30 PM »
Vance is in the local club here. The one that Boon and others told me to stay clear of or I would pick up bad information and bonsai habits.

I am hoping to push the needles back into the "mound" ,the pot is intentionally oversized as the soil it came in was unacceptable.  Well while we are here ..lol..This question has been bouncing around between my two brain cells. For pines and other trees that dwell in forests why do we use inorganic soil? These trees grow in soil that is littered with organic debris in their natural enviroment, why not simulate that? I try to add some pine bark and in the fall some crushed leaves plus needles. In the spring these things other than pine bark are removed.

Paul C.

  That's the club I'll be joining! Boons endorsement makes deciding which club to join that much easier.
 Now.... I wonder what Boons thoughts are on floor dry? Hmmmm.
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2014, 10:49 PM »
I was in that club for a year and was very disappointed(I will avoid specifics but there are reasons) thats when I talked to Boon and onthers and was advised not to join it. Everyone recommended the Ann Arbor bonsai club.
 

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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2014, 09:33 AM »
I was in that club for a year and was very disappointed(I will avoid specifics but there are reasons) thats when I talked to Boon and onthers and was advised not to join it. Everyone recommended the Ann Arbor bonsai club.

  How would this Boon know anything about this club? Was he a member there? Or does he have a list of clubs to avoid? Is he scared (and he should be) to go to Detroit?
  I am in awe of Boon though. He seems to have an almost cult like following. Like David Karesh or Sun Yung Moon. Or the pied piper of Hamlin. Telling unquestioning subjects his bonsai gospel is the only way to good bonsai and they eat it up. I can't believe all of his followers are all such mindless drones. Hanging on his every word without question.
  As for him to tell someone not to join a certain club because he doesn't like the views of some people in that club is very wrong. Makes me want to join that club even more. Well that and Vance Wood is a friend of mine.

  Have a good day!
 Mike Frary.
 
 

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Re: mugo
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2014, 10:07 AM »
Oh c'mon Mike, aren't you a bit exaggerating?  I've been on this board for a couple yrs now I guess, and bnut, and I don't share your experience at all.  Plus, you do realize, many of his students are here incl. John?  I'm not with Boon, but nevertheless found your post somewhat insulting.  Sorry, but I'm getting a bit tired of people dissing Boon and his students.