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JBP airlayer
« on: October 21, 2009, 09:15 PM »
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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 07:57 AM »
Well Matsu what sort of text are ya wantin? I think those who work with JBP's or familiar with airlayers knows the technique of applyin the airlayer. As far as the tree it is a George Muranaka stock. I aquired it in 2007. After applyin the AL the first time it sat for just over a yr. Nothin. So I then re-scarred it and started again. If it doesn't take this time I'll just cut it off. The part I'm airlayerin would make a nice little shohin.
 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2009, 08:42 AM »
Well Matsu what sort of text are ya wantin? I think those who work with JBP's or familiar with airlayers knows the technique of applyin the airlayer. As far as the tree it is a George Muranaka stock. I aquired it in 2007. After applyin the AL the first time it sat for just over a yr. Nothin. So I then re-scarred it and started again. If it doesn't take this time I'll just cut it off. The part I'm airlayerin would make a nice little shohin.


Steven,

Usually threads are started to document a project/process or to ask for advice.  The better of both of these typically have a lot of information to help others who are not familiar with a project, or to solicit the best advice possible.

I'm familiar with JBP and airlayers, but admittedly have not done so on a JBP before.  I have not seen an air layer done with what looks to be black plastic?  You had mentioned in chat a while ago about purchasing a layer container?  Is this inside the plastic?  Did you use soil in the container?  New Zealand Sphagnum moss?  Rooting hormone?  How deeply did you cut?  How thick of a ring?  Are you looking for advice since you say the first one didn't take?

It's quite possible that someone not familiar with airlayers might stumble across this thread.  There are a number of different ways to get good results.  I was hoping you might document your process here for others to see.
 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009, 08:22 PM »
Ok, let's start at the beginning. The pics below are stock photos from George Muranaka(I got permission to use them) of what the tree lookd like prior to me buying it. These photos are from Feb 2008, maybe as early as Jan 2008. I can't give any info on it from that time as it is no longer obtainable.
 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 08:37 PM »
well as much as i'd like to continue i'm gonna have to postpone this til i can resize pics to suit the file size. apparently my comp does not want to cooperate. has anyone considered upping the size a bit? my pics are usually under 200kb but mainly range around 100kb to 160kb.
 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2009, 08:51 PM »
I know George's trees and my question is why would you air layer it.  I think if you work with it the way it is you will have a great tree. 
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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2009, 06:01 AM »
I listened to Wayne's suggestion that the top would make a nice shohin pine the first attempt on the airlayer(4-28-08) :-\
 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2009, 09:01 AM »
So if this attempt doesn't work you have a tree that had  potential that now has a big scar at the top or even worse the top dies.
Personally I wouldn't attempt an air layer on a pine, but that is me.  I have seen George do it but it was on very young top growth.  Secondly when taking advice I am very particular, I have to see that the person giving advice has done what they are telling me to do and had success. 
I know this is advice but I think others would agree, that you don't go beyond your abilities.  Get comfortable with what you can do then move on to harder things. 
 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2009, 07:04 PM »
I live about 10 minutes away from George Muranaka, in fact him and his father are basically the one's that got me into Bonsai.  Very good people!  He is the only one that I have seen successfully airlayer JBP.  He writes about it in his blog which there is a link below.  He is also selling one of his airlayers on Ebay right now.  He sells them at the nursery too. 

muranakabonsainursery.blogspot.com

I was thinking about buying a couple of his airlayers to grow out and see what happens, although I don't know if there is much advantage in growing a small airlayering out compared to a seedling.  with a seedling you can wire movement, but I guess w/ an air layer you can grow it out using the clip and grow method. 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2009, 07:27 PM »
Secondly when taking advice I am very particular, I have to see that the person giving advice has done what they are telling me to do and had success. 
I know this is advice but I think others would agree, that you don't go beyond your abilities.  Get comfortable with what you can do then move on to harder things. 

Thanks for calling my advice into question :)

Seriously, I let him know up front that I'd never done it and hadn't ever seen personally (off the interwebs) it done, but knew that it was possible, if extremely difficult.  It didn't seem to phase him and the possibility of a really nice shohin seemed to make it all seem worthwhile.

I disagree about going beyond your abilities though.  That could get a little philosophical and have nothing to do with airlayering a JBP though, so I'll leave that one alone.
 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2009, 10:12 PM »
What Wayne just posted in the first small paragraph is true. At the time I first attempted mine Chris Johnston was attempting or had one in progress also. I believe his failed on him after seperation. I try most of the time to take small steps at trying things. But sometimes I feel I need to push myself. Yes I am just a low life noob in this hobby and I will never be the likes of those I have gotten to know online. Also sorry 99% of my trees are just plain **** to most. But at least I am trying and trying new things. Yes the pine looked good just the way it was but to me( and that's all that matters) it still can be whether or not the airlayer takes. George is a great guy and I like him. He's nice, polite and in a small way gives my noob *** just a little bit of respect as a person wanting to enjoy and grow in this hobby. Even if it is the way EVERYONE else does not like. I will not pursue this thread any longer. If it is erased I am fine with that. I will not go into detail my journey of doing an airlayer. I will just defer to Jeremiah and suggest everyone check out George's blog to learn the proper technique to airlayer a pine.
 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 07:30 AM »
Nothing hard about Airlayering JBP

Have taken Several and find them no more difficult than any other tree.
this is one of 4 I took off a tree in Jan 2008.
I put 4 layers on 2 trees ( 2 on each tree) mid spring of 2007. I took them all off in Jan 2008 ( Middle of our summer). and all survived and thrived. The tress were purchased after being ground grown so i do not how old they were but had maure bark at the time.
I had to repot them in the following winter and have just started to style the first ones of them.

My process it to strip the bark off in a ring about 1" wide, paint on a rooting hormone Gel. Wrap a pot around the trunk and fill with chopped Sphagnum moss. Keep Moist.
Watch for roots to appear and when ready take them off and pot up.

I would not hesistate doing any more if need

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2009, 10:29 AM »
KC,
That's about how I did mine as far as gettin em started.
 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2009, 10:58 AM »
Here's a link to the posts Muranaka's made at his site about air layers:
http://muranakabonsainursery.blogspot.com/search?q=air+layer

Its interesting that he and KC both seem to have used much younger wood than Steven.  I can only assume that older wood would have to take longer to set roots.
 

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Re: JBP airlayer
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2009, 11:31 AM »
In further searching on Muranaka's blog, the search linked above missed a few:
http://muranakabonsainursery.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html