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General Category => Evergreen Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: Kajukid on March 09, 2012, 09:12 AM

Title: dig it or leave it??
Post by: Kajukid on March 09, 2012, 09:12 AM
so i was a work and came across this little guy...i like the movement it has already, i think if im going to leave it then im going to put some wire on ya'll think its to young/small to dig up? its about 9 inches tall
Title: Re: dig it or leave it??
Post by: Kajukid on March 10, 2012, 11:16 AM
Okay so my question is should I dig it up or let it grow a little longer?
Title: Re: dig it or leave it??
Post by: kostas on March 10, 2012, 02:21 PM
i think you must leave it for 6 years maybe more and  if you have the apertuniti to style the tree do it, end then pull it out.
Title: Re: dig it or leave it??
Post by: jtucker on March 12, 2012, 12:05 AM
Leave it... there's not much particularly interesting enough to merit the risk of pulling the tree out of the ground and possibly killing it. In my opinion, the time and work involved in digging and properly caring for the tree afterwards need to be greatly outweighed by the beauty of the tree.

I've harvested several trees just for the heck of it, or just because my brother in law was taking them out of his yard. Now I have several junk trees that I'm just keeping alive all because I dug them... My first time out harvesting CA Junipers, I dug two. One was a smaller one that wasn't particularly interesting but I dug it because I figured I could handle it (a good starter tree). The other was a really cool tree with movement and deadwood and everything, but only a bit bigger. The good one died, and the other one lived. So now I have a tree that I don't really have any visceral connection to, that's just sitting in my yard getting watered and fertilized. I suppose some day it will be an alright bonsai (meaning it will be a styled tree in a pot), but it won't ever be something awesome.

I don't know, I guess it comes down to a philosophical debate about harvesting... I generally feel kind of guilty about it. However, I do see that taking a tree out of the wild, that maybe 10 people have ever seen, and turning it into a masterpiece for the greater public to enjoy can be a good thing. So perhaps if the service to humanity by making bonsai from the harvested tree is far greater than the disservice to nature by removing the tree from the wild combined with the risk of killing it altogether, then dig. If not, leave it for others to enjoy in its place.

I'm sure others will have different opinions on harvesting in general, but I definitely would say not to waste your time on digging that little guy.
Title: Re: dig it or leave it??
Post by: Jason E on March 12, 2012, 11:12 PM
well said J.
Title: Re: dig it or leave it??
Post by: tanlu on March 13, 2012, 12:19 AM
leave it.
Title: Re: dig it or leave it??
Post by: Yenling83 on March 13, 2012, 12:57 PM

    An important note about growing trees in the ground.  For just about every type of tree, before you put anything in the ground you need to work on the roots so the finished tree will have good nebari(surface roots).  The reason this is so important is because good nebari is very difficult to create on more mature trees(except by air layering-but this is starting over again anyways).  You usually have to start from the 1st or 2nd year of growing from seed, cutting or air layer.  I believe that good nebari is almost always started by growing in a pot or colander for several years before putting the tree in the ground.  Good nebari is created from working on the roots during each re-potting.  You should be combing the roots outward, uncrossing and arranging roots.  If you do this each time you repot the future nebari will be improving with each repot.  I might recommend starting some seeds now, then bringing your seedlings to a BIB workshop where you can get help when you repot them.  Then keep bringing these back for help developing the nebari and trunk.  Even if you buy nursery material in a 1 gallon can, it will often take less time to create great nebari by starting from seed, cutting or air layer.  Good luck!