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Jay tupelo
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« on: November 15, 2012, 08:18 PM »

Hey guys I decandled my JBP in July but it really still haven't had new buds should I be worried its a older tree. Feed well and very green all over but this year it did not respond to decandling method for some reason will it die
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2012, 10:38 PM »

Should be fine, you just lose a year of development. When was it repotted last? Any pictures?
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Jay tupelo
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2012, 10:34 AM »

Thanks for the reply I haven't repot yet. I've had it going on 2 seasons I was planing on repot in 3rd season.  I'll try to post a picture by this evening
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Jay tupelo
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2012, 11:28 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2012, 11:29 AM »

Sorry don't know why it's back wards
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2012, 11:30 AM »

Better shoot of decandle
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2012, 12:28 PM »

Where are you located?
How's the soil?
How much/often did you water/fertilize in spring?
How much/often did you water/fertilize after decandle?
What is your level of experience with JBP?

With a new tree I usually try to repot as soon as possible (first spring in possession).  This give me a chance to look at the roots, correct any flaws, and remove the inevitably bad soil.

For a tree of this size July might have been a little late, depending on what you mean by "South".

Fertilize the crap out of it now.  Do some fall cleanup.  Repot (into good soil) in spring.  Fertilize the crap out of it starting shortly thereafter.
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2012, 01:49 PM »

Thank you . My experience with black pine is okay i guess, I want to repot it but I'm worried that its stressed out right now. The other black pine that I got from nursery stock and have been working on for 3 years has responded very well to decandle method but maybe it's because I reported into a "boon" mix . You see I wasn't afraid of missing around with the tree that I basically have been developing I guess I'm kinda scared of repot the old black pine fear of losing it but the same is true if I don't repot. I have boon videos and I plan on repot, do you have any suggestions
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2012, 01:55 PM »

Located in tupelo ms  northern ms this is a picture of the black pine I've been playing around with a few years its responding very well it's the older speciemin that I have concerns over. Don't know if I should repot I January or wait tell 2014  Huh? Huh?
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2012, 02:06 PM »

Sorry I forgot to answer your questions. I made my own fertilizer balls and stared with two during March and kept adding 2 more every2 weeks intell the whole tree was covered in fertilizer balls and watered good and I decandled the tree according to boons video I my part of the country at end of June took all of the cakes off . In August I put two cakes back on and last week I decided to take them of because it was not responding yet to decandling so that's were I'm at.      The picture is of the nursery black pine before I reported it , it has responded very well to decandling may be because the other tree is old I don't know any suggestions thank you for helping I don't every thing but I heard some were that if you ask you will receive  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2012, 05:13 PM »

It's hard to tell from your photos, but when you decandled, did you cut all the candle off, or did you leave some new (this year)needles?  It looks like you may have left some 2012 needles. 

Looking at your foliage, can you tell if the tree still has 2010 needles?  (Two year old needles?) 

It looks very full.  You might consider removing the very oldest needles (2010) so that sunlight can get into the interior.  If you decandled all the 2012 candles, you don't want to pull any 2011 needles, it needs those for energy.

2012 was a strange year for JBP.  I had one JBP that did not produce any spring candles!  It finally pushed candles after I decandled my other pines in early July.  So, it waited until late July to push candles.  Needless to say, I did not decandle it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2012, 07:48 PM »

Nice tree. It looks stressed, fine needles. So, to destress, you will need to repot. I know, everyone says don't repot when dressed, but with a tree that has root issues, then repotting is a must- especially with JBP. The tree will certainly start growing by march, repot in late February, early March and get it growing. For JBP to be strong they need to be growing very well. Might be worth heading up and seeing Matsu when he does his repotting workshop (the kid will be almost a year old and not so much of a novelty by then....).

Good luck,
John
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Jay tupelo
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2012, 09:50 PM »

When would this repot class be ?
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2012, 10:56 AM »

Nice tree. It looks stressed, fine needles. So, to destress, you will need to repot. I know, everyone says don't repot when dressed, but with a tree that has root issues, then repotting is a must- especially with JBP. The tree will certainly start growing by march, repot in late February, early March and get it growing. For JBP to be strong they need to be growing very well. Might be worth heading up and seeing Matsu when he does his repotting workshop (the kid will be almost a year old and not so much of a novelty by then....).

Good luck,
John

John, you've got more experience with repotting.  It's seldom discussed, but when do you pot a tree from a training box/pot to a initial deeper bonsai pot?  After you have the roots, trunk and branches the desired location and thickness?  Would it benefit Jay to put this back into a trainer box to regain the health?

Nice tree Jay btw!
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2012, 05:45 PM »

I have a question for Matsu bonsai lets say my tree does have a root problum? should i just wait to repot. you see im worried if there is a root problum i do not want to fertilize the roots and harming them even more. After  seeing the soil about 1 inch  down the pot every thing is black looking im thinking there is a lot of organic soil in this pot and it needs a more inorganic mix. which makes alot of sense when you asked how the soil was and what kind it was after ferther looking its very organic looking (black). I think the best thing to do for the health of the tree is wait for  feduary and repot into a more draing mix and try to get the health of the tree back before i try any refinment. Now this is my Question well i come across any problums when changeing to an inorganic mix sense the tree looks to be in a organic mix. should i repot half at a time let me know thanks . jay
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