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General Category => Evergreen Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: boon on November 11, 2011, 10:46 AM

Title: blvd cypress repot
Post by: boon on November 11, 2011, 10:46 AM
this was the second time we repotted this blvd cypress in 2010.  it was done after pruning in March.  this tree was in VA.
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: Chrisl on November 11, 2011, 06:26 PM
Boon, first off, wonderful tree!

Do you experience a bit of die back on this tree at this time of year?  I've seen 5 B. Cypress' here locally, and they are all experiencing some minor die back.
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: boon on November 12, 2011, 12:32 AM
yes, i do know why they die back.  it is because of how and when it is cut.  if the tip is cut off, the branch will die back to the next intersection.  if the tips are pinched off, it will take 2 year for that branch to die off. 
the other factor is the soil.  organic materials will cause root rot.  bark and leaves mold should not be used on bonsai.

if the tree get as good the roots as the pic i show, you can continue to use that soil mix.  if not it is time to change.

Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: Chrisl on November 12, 2011, 08:06 PM
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question Boon.  First off, those are some impressive roots and now I know what to strive for.  Concerning working with this tree, you're suggesting no pinching and no cutting/pruning of branches is allowed to avoid die back?   Or only at a particular time of the year?  Can you please share with me how work with this species?  I'd love to figure how work with this plant and ridding myself of the die back, I hate for my plants not to be healthy.

And it was in a very organic mix, but now is in 100% Turface.  No more die back fortunately  now.  So finally, tomorrow, it's going into the sun with the rest of my plants until it's time to be put in the 'winter house'/painted white greenhouse LOL  

But I learned the lesson Boon earlier this spring, loosing an old Ch. Elm due to the heavy organic soi it came in, and my failure to repot.  Expensive lesson.  So I then went with a 60/40 inorganic/organic this spring, which again was too much for the maples I potted.  So come spring, I've got a lot of plants to be repotted and I'm going to experiment with just 100% Turface, and a 50/50 Turface and grit.  Both with a bit of charcoal as per your soil mix ;)  Anyway, I'm using what's affordable, and more importantly, what's available.  And, since I'm new to using a 100% organic substrate, it'll be interesting to see if there's any difference between these two mixes over the next two years.  Besides, at heart, I'm scientist and I love experimenting ;D  I've come a long way in just one growing season lol
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: boon on November 21, 2011, 10:50 AM
sorry, it is busy season for bonsai now.  i do not have a lot of time to answer.  i will do so soon.
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: Chrisl on November 21, 2011, 07:44 PM
No worries Boon. I figured you're busy right now. 

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!
Chris
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: Don Blackmond on November 21, 2011, 07:53 PM
Chrisl mix some hadite or similar material with your turface.  organic fertilizer can cause 100% turface to bind and form fry pockets.
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: Chrisl on November 27, 2011, 12:18 PM
Thanks Don, I'll see if I can track some down for next spring. 
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: boon on December 04, 2011, 10:55 AM
the die back ususally caused from cutting incorrectly, cutting at the wrong time and the scissors are not sharp.
over pinching and/or cut all the growing tips off, will cause stress fro the tree.  it will try to grow and push out new growth at the crotch.
the fact:- trees will need new leaves, needles or foliage to grow.  if you keep taking new buds, growth, foliage, needle off.  it will weakened the tree.  if it is continuously done,  branches will start to die and then the tree will die.  the sad part is that it is slow death. 
Pinching new growth all the time is the worst thing you can do to your trees. 
new bonsai enthusiasts start and work under poor instruction and then the trees die.  they stop doing it.  this is one of the worst information that they get. 

i use the picture of needle juniper(j. foremina)  it is not a true needle.  it always has mix foliage unless it was prune heavily.
the first pic is before pruning and the next is after pruning.  the new leader has good growing tips for the life to continue.
we  can use the same technique to work on blvd cypress.

it has been pinched and prune incorrectly for a couple decades.  we repotted and let it grow for a year.  the bare spot starts to get new buds.  Pinching does not promote new buds

Pinching create density for finished bonsai.  it is not a technique to use on the tree in training or weak tree.


 
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: Chrisl on February 21, 2012, 10:42 AM
Sorry Boon, I missed this follow up.  I see what you mean in the pics.  You cut the one strongest growing tip, and the shoots growing upwards on the branch.  Leave the rest of all the terminal buds alone.  Do I understand this correctly? Oh, what time of the year should I do this trimming?
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: Chrisl on February 21, 2012, 01:03 PM
Chrisl mix some hadite or similar material with your turface.  organic fertilizer can cause 100% turface to bind and form fry pockets.

Don, I've found lava and grit that I could add to Turface.  Would one of these substitute for Haydite?
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: Don Blackmond on March 03, 2012, 07:59 AM
Chrisl mix some hadite or similar material with your turface.  organic fertilizer can cause 100% turface to bind and form fry pockets.

Don, I've found lava and grit that I could add to Turface.  Would one of these substitute for Haydite?

yes, either is fine
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: Chrisl on March 03, 2012, 10:10 AM
Great, Thanks Don! 

So for my soil, I did 1:1:1 Turface/Grit/Lava and a touch of charcoal.  Nice and heavy too to withstand some of the strong winds we get here occasionally ;)

One of these days I'm going to have to come see you as you're so close...relatively ;) 
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: boon on March 17, 2012, 12:18 AM
repot it again in NC.  the owner moved to NC.  new location- new pot. 
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: Chrisl on March 17, 2012, 09:55 AM
very nice Boon!
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: John Kirby on March 19, 2012, 08:00 AM
Boon, If this is what you are used to, I am going to have to set up a better repotting area.......
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: boon on March 19, 2012, 09:38 AM
I work on all kind of condition. Including garage, greenhouse and kitchen, etc, etc
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: John Kirby on March 19, 2012, 06:18 PM
I know, I was just trying to get you ready for the concept of tents and outhouses for the repotting season. ;D
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: boon on March 20, 2012, 01:00 AM
warm shade and good light.  outhouse -scent free is good. LOL
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: MatsuBonsai on March 21, 2012, 08:32 PM
I like the new pot.  Very nice fit.
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: boon on March 21, 2012, 10:44 PM
very nice Boon!
thank you,
Title: Re: blvd cypress repot
Post by: boon on March 21, 2012, 10:46 PM
I like the new pot.  Very nice fit.
when we first looked at it, we thought it might be too long.  after we finished root worked, we tested it and all of us loved t in the new pot.