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General Category => Evergreen Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: VanceWood on October 24, 2014, 11:54 PM

Title: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: VanceWood on October 24, 2014, 11:54 PM
From 3 gallon nursery tree to training planter to first bonsai pot to this summer's restyle.
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: Dan W. on October 25, 2014, 12:52 AM
This one has come a long way too!

The pot is really interesting. Who made it?
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: VanceWood on October 25, 2014, 07:25 AM
I don't now remember the maker, it is Japanese;
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Post by: Judy on October 25, 2014, 08:06 AM
I have a pot similar to this for a JWP.  It's feels really different from a normal pot, the glaze (?) is rough and doesn't really feel like a ceramic pot.  Does yours feel like that Vance?  

I like this tree with this pot, could it be moved a little to the right in the pot at all?
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: VanceWood on October 25, 2014, 09:02 AM
It is not your typical smooth polished finish it is almost like a stone ware but it is definitely ceramic. 
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Post by: jlushious on October 25, 2014, 10:15 AM
Thanks for sharing Vance, what kind of time has elapsed through the photos you have posted?
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Post by: John Kirby on October 25, 2014, 10:24 AM
Nice progression.
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Post by: Leo in NE Illinois on October 25, 2014, 10:37 AM
That last pot looks very much like a couple pots that I have that were imported in the middle 1980's. They were not very expensive, same prices as the lower end "production grade" Tokonome or Yi Xing pottery. I've always called that clay "raven ware" but I don't know anything more. I need to check mine for chop marks, but I think they were not marked. Where I got them from thought she was knowledgeable, and time has proven that sometimes she was right, sometime she was way off. She thought they were Tokonome ware.
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: Leo in NE Illinois on October 25, 2014, 10:39 AM
Vance
Forgot to say great progression, really decent tree. What year did you start this tree?
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: VanceWood on October 25, 2014, 07:51 PM
Thanks for sharing Vance, what kind of time has elapsed through the photos you have posted?

About 15 years not so long because it took that long but it took that long for me to come to the vision to create the image.
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: Jason E on October 25, 2014, 11:05 PM
Beautiful tree, well done and thanks for sharing.
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Post by: M. Frary on October 26, 2014, 01:07 AM
  It says fats on the bottom of the picture I see Vance. How big was it to deserve such a name. Have I seen this before?
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: VanceWood on October 26, 2014, 08:12 AM
When I found the original tree in the nursery container I nick-named it Fatso. That was because the base of the trunk was so large.   I did  do that, not because I think any of my trees are worth of a name like the Japanese give them, but just so I can remember which tree is which, they change so much over time after I start hacking on them.
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: M. Frary on October 26, 2014, 10:03 PM
  I dont name mine either. I call them names at times though. I just thought fatso  was a cool name.
  How often or reliably do mugo pines back bud on old wood or do they at all Vance?
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: VanceWood on October 26, 2014, 11:23 PM
Back budding on old wood is unpredictable but it does happen from time to time; mostly when and where you don't want it and almost never where and when you do want it.
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: Herman on October 27, 2014, 04:13 AM
I'm one that takes my time to style a tree, I'm content to watch a tree grow and to now and then snip something off here and there for a  long time before I decide to style it, more often than not patience is rewarded by a very clear and beautiful design


best regards
Herman
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: VanceWood on October 27, 2014, 08:01 AM
I try to be honest, sometimes to my own regrets, in revealing my short comings in a process of designing a tree.  I have not had any formal training and I am constantly trying to learn and look at different ideas with new eyes as often as possible.  During this last couple of years I have not only been looking at all of my trees, many I have had for many years, but becoming aware of their flaws.  I have not been happy with what I have seen.

I have noticed on the INTERNET that when a lot of people come to that point in the road they seem to do one of two things.  One is to get rid of all their old trees and two; buy a bunch of expensive Pre-bonsai or Yamadori trees.  Not having that option and living on a fixed income, I have found it more expedient to look all all of my old trees as opportunities for advancement with my own pre-bonsai.  Consequently all of my old stuff, even if they had won awards previously, are not beyond my attempts to redesign them into what I feel are better bonsai.  And so now, I post trees that are older than most but, as new bonsai.  In many cases the trees are not even recognizable as what they once were.
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: Herman on October 28, 2014, 02:52 AM
I try to be honest, sometimes to my own regrets, in revealing my short comings in a process of designing a tree.  I have not had any formal training and I am constantly trying to learn and look at different ideas with new eyes as often as possible.  During this last couple of years I have not only been looking at all of my trees, many I have had for many years, but becoming aware of their flaws.  I have not been happy with what I have seen.

I have noticed on the INTERNET that when a lot of people come to that point in the road they seem to do one of two things.  One is to get rid of all their old trees and two; buy a bunch of expensive Pre-bonsai or Yamadori trees.  Not having that option and living on a fixed income, I have found it more expedient to look all all of my old trees as opportunities for advancement with my own pre-bonsai.  Consequently all of my old stuff, even if they had won awards previously, are not beyond my attempts to redesign them into what I feel are better bonsai.  And so now, I post trees that are older than most but, as new bonsai.  In many cases the trees are not even recognizable as what they once were.

Much respect for sticking at it and still improving yourself, despite being at it such a long time. those you've posted sure have changed a lot and for the better. Keep at it Mr Vance!

best regards
Herman
Title: Re: Another Mugo Progression
Post by: VanceWood on October 28, 2014, 08:20 AM
Thank you very much.