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Yenling

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What are the benefits of Misting?
« on: November 04, 2009, 11:29 AM »
Specifically I'm wondering about this questions in regards to collected N. American Junipers

I have heard a lot of people tell me to mist newly collected trees, esp if they have weak root systems.  I'm really wondering how much actual benefit there is in doing this? How much water are these Junipers able to take in through their foliage?  

Also, how often should you mist more established trees?  Are there any other benefits to misting?  I currently just use a regular old spray bottle, will this work just as good as a mister?   

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2009, 12:28 PM »
It is not the water they take in, it is the reduction in rate of loss.
 

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 01:32 PM »
Oh interesting. Does Boon regularly mist his established trees?

John-
Congratulations on Graduating and finishing Boon's Intensive's.  IMO that's an amazing accomplishment and very respectable.  IMO that the best certification you can get in the U.S.  That western juniper you guys bent and finished styling looks great!
 

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2009, 01:43 PM »
John-
Congratulations on Graduating and finishing Boon's Intensive's.  IMO that's an amazing accomplishment and very respectable.  IMO that the best certification you can get in the U.S.  That western juniper you guys bent and finished styling looks great!

Wrong John, but thanks.  ;)

(I'm assuming you meant me, since Kirby graduated some time ago)
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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2009, 03:03 PM »
Whoops, yes well congratulations to both of you!

do you mist your junipers?
 

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 03:16 PM »
You'll notice the newly collected material at Boon's is mostly in the shade and looks to get hit with the hose fairly often.

Shhh, don't tell anyone, here's my setup:

http://www.dripworksusa.com/store/heartkit.php
http://www.dripworksusa.com/store/btimers.php#TDIGHOSE
http://www.dripworksusa.com/store/sprayer.php (Black Mini Jet, 180 Degree)

About 4 sprayers per 8 foot bench work great.  Set on the timer 2 or 3 times a day for about a minute during the growing season works great for me.  I work too far from home to come home and hand water during the day, so this keeps everything pretty well watered.  I'll hand water in the morning and/or afternoon those that look like they need it. 

Using the valve stakes:
http://www.dripworksusa.com/store/stakes.php#SV
I can increase or decrease the water per bench, etc.  These particular sprayers put out a pretty fine mist that my trees seem to enjoy.

Ask Peter about his setup.  He was talking about it last week.  Sounds pretty neat, if you have bad water that is.
 

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 05:35 PM »
Yeah, what he said. I find that putting up a wind break (5'high plastic) and shade cloth keeps the moisture up high enough to avoid drying out. This also works for trees that have been worked really, really hard in the summer or just grafted.....

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 06:16 PM »
(I gradurbated a while back, still go out regularly for the abuse and good company.....)

You enjoy the abuse.   ;D
 

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 07:04 PM »
The california juniper is a very adaptable plant. having experience collecting them I can speak a little about misting. Freshly dug trees need daily misting sometimes as much as possible during the day for the first few months.

In the desert it's a wonder these plants do not die but seem to thrive. Why is that? Rain comes maybe a few months a year and that can be as little a two inches per year. Way too small amount to keep a plant alive that can be as large as a house. While these plants can grow root systems hundreds of yards from the plant, they do a poor job of growing downward to find water. The plant has adapted too getting it's water during these dry times thru its leaves. while the desert is hot by day it can be very cold at night, even in the summer time. With no vast acres of blacktop to absorb energy like a city, the barron desert will cool down very fast.

One thing the desert does have is condensation. The one thing that keeps many plants alive in the desert. flutes on barrel cactus is not there because it looks pretty, it's there because as the condensation drips down the barrel shaped furrows directs the water right down to the bottom of the plant and near it's roots. Pretty ingenous.

During periods of rain and continual water(as in bonsai) the plant will revert back to fullfilling it's watering needs thru the roots like any other plant. This may be why these plants do so well in captivity and in pots. They like water! After its grown a substantial amount of new roots the plant does not need the misting anymore. I have never misted any of mine for over 7 years since they were dug.

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2012, 11:04 PM »
Matsu,

       Do you have pictures of your watering system, how you attach the stakes to the bench,

       Thank you

        Jorge
 

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2012, 12:35 PM »
You'll notice the newly collected material at Boon's is mostly in the shade and looks to get hit with the hose fairly often.

Shhh, don't tell anyone, here's my setup:

http://www.dripworksusa.com/store/heartkit.php
http://www.dripworksusa.com/store/btimers.php#TDIGHOSE
http://www.dripworksusa.com/store/sprayer.php (Black Mini Jet, 180 Degree)

About 4 sprayers per 8 foot bench work great.  Set on the timer 2 or 3 times a day for about a minute during the growing season works great for me.  I work too far from home to come home and hand water during the day, so this keeps everything pretty well watered.  I'll hand water in the morning and/or afternoon those that look like they need it.  

Using the valve stakes:
http://www.dripworksusa.com/store/stakes.php#SV
I can increase or decrease the water per bench, etc.  These particular sprayers put out a pretty fine mist that my trees seem to enjoy.

Ask Peter about his setup.  He was talking about it last week.  Sounds pretty neat, if you have bad water that is.

Nice setup Matsu!  Do you know how long Boon keeps his recently collected trees in the shade with misting?  And I know that the local enviroment makes a big difference in how long.  The bay area is dry/not a lot of rain, but has the fog, whereas Al lives in an area that I'm not surprised he has to mist for a long time given the dryness and lack of rain.

Like Jorge asked, where do you place the stakes for the misters?  It says it mists 3', so putting the stakes in the pots doesn't seem like it'd work.  Either way, I've been thinking of adding a drip system to water when Im not home.  It got up to 90 yesterday here and I had to water twice for trees in bonsai pots.   Just lucky so far I've been home to do this on the few hot days we've had so far.
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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2012, 07:17 PM »
I'll try to get pictures tomorrow, it's too rainy/muggy right now.

Basically I just drilled through a wing of the valve stakes and screwed them into the side of the bench.

You can see an old picture here.
 

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2012, 10:36 PM »
Hi Matsu,

    Thank you for the information, I looked at the old picture and is pretty self explanatory,

     I will do a similar setup, I started using Boon's mix this year and it dries very fast,

      See you in Rochester or Denver,

      Jorge
 

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2012, 11:07 AM »
Smart idea Matsu!  Thanks!
 

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Re: What are the benefits of Misting?
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2014, 11:50 AM »
Now I know I have not been in the game long but I realize already that misting can be the difference between life and death for a newly collected tree, especially a juniper (please vets correct me if I'm wrong). It seems to me to have something to do with an evolutionary adaptation that is a big part of the reason junipers (conifers in general?) can survive in conditions most other trees cannot. Junipers, if their root system is not pulling up enough water to sustain the tree, will pull in water from the foliage and supply the tree this way until the root system catches up and can support it. So, if this is true, then when newly collected, a juniper may not have enough roots to live and without regular misting, will dry out and die. With regular misting however, the juniper will obtain the water it needs (that the roots aren't providing) from its foliage, and it will need this misting until it builds a root system large enough to support the tree without foliage watering. Imho, this is why Masahiko Kimura, in the magician 1, in the chapter titled the resurrection, was able to keep a juniper alive without any roots at all, because he fed the foliage the water it needed while the tree built a new root system, I believe without misting, this tree would have surely died...

Again, this is just musings on my part, please correct me if I'm wrong, or tell me if I'm right lol