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Species Specific => North American Juniper Bonsai Discussion => Topic started by: andrew on August 27, 2009, 05:57 PM

Title: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: andrew on August 27, 2009, 05:57 PM
This is the first tree I bought from Andy Smith.  I first nice tree.  It was collected in '07 I bought it in feb of '08.  It was wired when I bought it.  In spring however some branches started dying.  I took the wires off. And let it grow. It was heavily fertilized this year.  I am ready to wire it and style it.  I believe RMJ3 is my favorite front.  I was thinking of having the jin as the apex, with the foilage towards the back.       andy
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: John Kirby on August 27, 2009, 09:40 PM
Hi again, I guess the first step is to clean it up, remove the bark and see what is hiding underneath, clean off the dead foliage and the wimpy little thread like growth. Then, if you are unsure about which branches to remove, then just wire them all down, not wimpy weeping willow arches, but acute wiring down. This will give you a framework to start from. Best of luck,

John
(not bad for an iPhone post from Denver Int
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: andrew on August 28, 2009, 08:26 PM
John,

  Thanks for the comments.  Actually though I was thinking of leaving the bark on the tree.  I kinda like the look of it. andy
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: John Kirby on August 28, 2009, 10:01 PM
Cool, by the way the bark grows back within a year. Knowing where the lifeline is,  Priceless. Best of luck with your plant. John
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: Rick Moquin on August 28, 2009, 11:29 PM
Nice hunk of stock. I support John wtr the bark and RMJ2 IMO is your best front and the lifeline is also clearly visible from that angle, which is also highly desirable (to be seen from the front)
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: andrew on August 29, 2009, 08:48 PM
Thanks Rick.   I was just looking at my post again that was the front I was looking for.  I dont know why I said the 3rd.   
                                   andy
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: andrew on August 30, 2009, 02:24 PM
I removed the bark today.  Do I need to take more off?    Let me know if Im going in the rigt direction.      andy
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: AlexV on August 30, 2009, 03:08 PM
Hey Andy,
So it may just be the picture, but it looks like you took ALL the bark off the tree.  The above posters were suggesting removing the sections of bark that were dead and dried up, not the living tissue.  Hopfully its just the pic, as if all the bark was removed the tree will die.

Alex
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: andrew on August 30, 2009, 04:21 PM
I hope you are wrong.    I took some new pics.   andy
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: John Kirby on August 31, 2009, 02:48 PM
It looks fine. OK, identify the deadwood areas, such as under the Jin, and any other spots that can be made into shari. You can likely see the vein or swollen area that feeds the branches, it may show as a slight swelling around the dead areas. You can also now define (cut in with a sharp blade)  smaller thin, vertical areas where you would like to have shari. and then allow them and the tree to sit. You can also now decide to wire branches , in order to pull them down to strengthen the buds and foliage that is closer to the trunk.

John
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: andrew on August 31, 2009, 03:59 PM
COol,

  I had anxiety all night.   I will look at wiring the branches.       Andy
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: John Kirby on August 31, 2009, 07:19 PM
Andrew,
please don't take this wrong, but do you have much wiring experience? You can PM me if you want to. John
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: andrew on August 31, 2009, 07:40 PM
No, not really.   
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: John Kirby on August 31, 2009, 09:12 PM
OK,
It would be best to use copper (you can use smaller wire), the point is to gently pull down the branches. Are you a member of the local bonsai club? wire is one of those things it is good to learn hands on. John

Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: andrew on September 01, 2009, 07:44 PM
I am a member but we dont have any meetings scheduled.   I don't have any copper wire.  However, I do have aluminum.


                               andy
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: MatsuBonsai on September 01, 2009, 07:56 PM
Andrew, and others in the area, you're always welcome to come down to Louisville for a club meeting.  Or, join us for study group.  Lots of good work goes on during the study group meetings.  The next meeting is Saturday, September 12th.  If you want to practice on one of my trees or get a chance to use copper you're welcome to it.
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: John Kirby on September 01, 2009, 09:17 PM
Andrew,
If you can make it over to where John is, I would recommend it. Using copper wire will give you mow reliable results (if applied correctly) because of the highly flexible nature of smaller juniper branches. Also, if you work with somone who has a good deal of experience with wiring, they can help you avoid the common mistakes of breaking branches and cracking them more than you need to.

Here is a picture of John working on his Western Juniper during a workshop at my place in August. (Akio is hiding behind the big Ashe Juniper on the end.

John
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: King Kong on September 01, 2009, 09:24 PM
See if he will trade that for the alien.....Now we are talking

__gary
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: John Kirby on September 01, 2009, 09:40 PM
I am stubborn, I'll keep he Alien, I just can't eat spaghetti when it is nearby.

John
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: andrew on September 08, 2009, 04:44 AM
I went ahead and wired the tree on Monday.  I knew I wasnt going to make it down to John's place anytime soon.  I also only had aluminum.  So I made do.
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: John Kirby on September 08, 2009, 11:21 AM
Hi Andrew,
I was wondering what the purpose of the wire is? Do you really want the branches to be straight and level with the ground, or do you want them to be pushed down? with the aluminum wire and the tight spirals (Boon always got after me about this...) you cant really get the wire to hold the branches in the correct position. You may want to wrap wires around the pot and then guy wire the branches down a bit, attaching he guy wires to the branches and then wires on the pot. also, it is good to reflect the gentle movement in the trunk with movement in the branches, and you will need to keep a close eye on the wire, RMJ do not always grow real fast, but they can thicken up and tight wire will bite in. Having dealt with many wire scars over the years, please avoid on junipers if possible.

John.
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: andrew on September 08, 2009, 03:55 PM
Thanks for the info John.  Ill take the wire off and do guy wires this saturday.     andy
Title: Re: Rocky Mountain Juniper
Post by: John Kirby on September 08, 2009, 07:45 PM
Andrew, sorry I wasn't clear, probably jet lag... Leave the wire on, just watch it especially next spring when the tree pushes new growth. You can use this wire to protect the branches when you guy wire them down. Make sense? This is one of the reasons many folks use copper when  they can, it gives them a ot of holding power with fairly small wire.

John