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Chrisl

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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2012, 07:53 PM »
John, love the golf analogy, very funny!...and True! lol

I will get some better pics of the overall tree and some close ups. 

Yeah, I wasn't sure if your earlier was positive or not lol  But it IS interesting, and what I liked most about the tree.  But I agree,  it will be a challenge to reach the tree's fullest potential.  But unfort. the live veins are supported by a younger root system.  You'll see what I mean when I post the pics.  Speaking of this tree's live vein structure, Peter said the tree prob. would've been worth several thousand dollars more if it had a live vein in the front.  Not all tree's are perfect lol
 

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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2012, 12:43 PM »
Sorry of no update yet. Have had only limited time each night recently to work on trees.  I'll get it wired and reshoot the photo. I haven't forgotten
 

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2012, 11:22 AM »
Ok. I finally finished the wiring. Unfortunately the new apex branch was accidently broken bY Peter during the demo. But fort there was a second close branch that tools its place.  The front shot shows the triangle shape being formed the central area of foliage mass, and another triangle for the branching off to the right.  From the side view you can see all the live foliage/life veins are in the rear of the tree and that the tree leans forward. Peter said if there were livE veins in front, the tree would've been another $1k or more in price.  But said it could still be a fantastic tree if I get it to grow healthy and strong. So with the tree bending forward, young roots supporting the live vein in the back makes making the present back the new front won't work.

The long term plans are
1. Leave it in that pot for sev more years
2. Grow out the foliage pads for density and forward to frame the deadwood while keeping the two triangular shaped Apexes separated with some dead space.
3. Let it grow untouched for the next 2-3 yrs and trim back only a little. Repeat. The key is to remove foliage very slowly to prevent juvenile foliage.  
4. When the time comes for potting it, nix the round mica pot for a slightly larger rectangular pot, about 2/3 the depth of the present pot, and choose one with soft edges.

Ok. Weird. The 'choose file' is greyed out so I can't upload pics off my iPad. My laptop is in for repair so I can't use that. Must be something about using an iPad as I've never seen this before. I'll try again on a separate entry.

Edit. Apparently you can't upload pics from ipad...strange.  Borrowed my partners macbook to get to post the pics. 

Front, back, left side, right side

« Last Edit: September 02, 2012, 12:04 PM by Chrisl »
 

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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2012, 12:05 PM »
Wrong identification above, it's the rear view, front view, left side and right side.

Below are the front nebari, back nebari
« Last Edit: September 02, 2012, 12:15 PM by Chrisl »
 

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2012, 04:00 PM »
Chris,

this looks fine to me and sounds like a good plan. I think you made the right choice. This will be a great tree.
Regarding the pot you cold also consider placing the thing on a long very flat stone. This would be quite dramatic.
 

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2012, 07:58 PM »
Thanks Walter. I also think this will be a great tree if I can pull it off lol.  And, I love this tree.  It's quite unique and has great lines.  I'm looking forward to both the bonsai and horticultural challenges ahead.

A lg. slab would look very cool.  Funny timing, I've been experimenting making a med sized slab for a jap maple planned forest planting.  I've got plenty of time in all my projects before I get there  lol
 

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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2012, 10:47 AM »
i would of stood with the first one from andy
 

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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2012, 11:43 AM »
It's all comes down to personal tastes I guess.  I'm very happy with my choice.

Speaking of which, it's doing just fine after the styling.  No lost or dying branches, so seems to have tolerated this styling well. 
 

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2012, 01:58 PM »
very true but i'm just saying that would of been my choice very nice turn out any how
 

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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2013, 12:32 AM »
Any updates on this one Chris? Did you get it all wired out yet?

 

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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2013, 10:36 AM »
Hi Jason, Thanks for asking.  I did finish the wiring I wanted done last Sept.  This last week, so far I've spent about 8 hrs so far trimming the bushy juvenile foliage and fine wiring the rest of the tree.  It was growing mature foliage the beginning of the season, but I had a touch of tip blight fungus, and the wind blew it off my stand.  It's so root bound though, nothing came out exc. a little soil.  But one of these insults, made it revert to juvenile foliage, and the new growth just exploded.  So I'd say I have 1/3-1/2 of the tree wired. 

I'll take some shots today of it.
 

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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2013, 01:08 PM »
Root bound, wired and fertilized = juvenile foliage. Wiring juvenile foliage will tend to keep it juvenile.
 

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« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2013, 11:49 PM »
Disclaimer up front: I have never worked with RMJ, and haven't (yet) dealt with significant amounts of juvenile foliage on a juniper.

That said - the issue of juvenile foliage on RMJ came up today during a demo by Ryan Neil at the International Bonsai Colloquium in Rochester. I'm pretty sure his comment was that the tree had to be allowed to "grow out" of the juvenile foliage phase...that if you pruned it off you'd you'd only encourage additional juvenile foliage. I'm interested in hearing if that matches what others have observed about the problem?

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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2013, 10:22 AM »
Chris, I too had heard that.  But I emailed Peter Warren who advised me to trim back and wire the fine branches we didn't do last yr.  And John, I got the tree from Jim Doyle who told me that junipers like being root bound and not to repot till 2015, so I just water, then come back and water again to make sure I water all the roots.

For those interested, here's Peter's email and rationale:  

It may be worth wiring some of the branches that are drooping up to
face the sun, this will enable them to get more strength and push
through the juvenile stage quicker.  If the branches are pretty strong
and upward facing, then leave them be for a while.  What I would
recommend is not allowing it to grow too much into a bush before
pruning back, never get into the cycle of juvenile - over grown bush -
hack back - juvenile - overgrown bush..

....Prune back the tips as long as the growth behind it has active growing
tips, they will be light green and look healthy and alive.  Cut back
so the branch looks more like a circle than a long shoot...if that
make sense.  Compare it to older foliage much further inside the tree
to see the difference. If it is growing strong then you can cut back
fairly hard with no worries, but don't remove all of the juvenile
foliage. at a node where you have lots of juvenile shoots, thin it out
so rather than having six or seven, there should be three or four.
You have to let it grow out but you can't let it grow out too much to
become a bush.

And it had become very bushy, even my other half commented on it looking like a Christmas tree. lol
So, two different opinions, so I followed Peter's instructions.

I guess I'll find out in time.  I finished trimming and wiring (15 hrs I'd say...but boy am I getting MUCH better at wiring!).  As promised here's what it looks like.  I ran out of light, so I still have to tweak the branches placement.  And when someone I know comes to town, we're going to cut the live vein and bring it to the front which will make the tree much nicer.

Edit:  I removed two of the baskets after this shot.
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2013, 07:17 AM »
It doesn't look real happy, is it getting unrestricted (other than from the cloudy weather) full sun? It hardly looks bushy, so Letting t grow out of the Juvenile foliage is the right approach. If you "tip it", AKA pinch it, at this stage you will continue to see the stress response that juvenile foliage represents.  Root bound on a Collected juniper can be good, it means tat they have grown new roots. The tricky part is determining when root bound goes from an asset to less than an asset.

Rocky Mountain foliage can be very tricky if you live in less than optimal conditions (like Connecticut), it will work its way through it.