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BK1017

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Collecting Ashe Juniper
« on: October 07, 2010, 09:32 PM »
Hey y'all! Living here in central Texas, Ashe Juniper ('cedar' to us) grow like weeds and I have seen others turn them into fantastic specimen bonsai. I'd like to try my hand at this process, but I've heard they can be a pain to collect and sometimes revert to immature leaf form. Do you have any suggestions on the best collection method for this particular species? Any grow tips? Thanks!

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 10:22 AM »
Hey y'all! Living here in central Texas, Ashe Juniper ('cedar' to us) grow like weeds and I have seen others turn them into fantastic specimen bonsai. I'd like to try my hand at this process, but I've heard they can be a pain to collect and sometimes revert to immature leaf form. Do you have any suggestions on the best collection method for this particular species? Any grow tips? Thanks!

BK

There are a few posts on here already (Ashe Juniper Restyle, Texas Ashe Juniper, and another Texas Ashe Juniper) that should provide some helpful information. 

Also, juvenile foliage isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you're looking for strong growth after collection.  This can be replaced after the tree settles in and recovers.
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2010, 10:41 AM »
I would guess it's pretty similar to other native Junipers like CA, Sierra, Utah, Western and Rocky Mountain.

I might recommend the DVD How to collect Wild Trees which you can purchase at www.goldenarrowbonsai.com.  I thought it was very good and Andy collects hundreds of trees each year.


*Make sure you have a permit
*I like to use pure sifted pumice
*get as many fine feeder roots as possible
*In CA I collect either in Oct or early spring, however I don't know the best time in Texas
*I might suggest to start with a small or younger one the first year and see how that goes
*make sure you have all your aftercare set up before you go out to collect.

Good Luck!
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2010, 03:59 PM »
Thanks for the tips guys! I was definitely planning on starting with something smaller as I have limited experience and limited space on my apartment patio.
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2010, 11:16 AM »
Got my hands on the "Collecting Wild Trees DVD" which was really informative, although I don't think the techniques he uses for those species will apply to central Texas landscape. I discovered there was an article written about this exact topic that was published in the Journal of the American Bonsai Society: "FINDING AND COLLECTING ASHE JUNIPERS IN CENTRAL TEXAS (fall 2002, volume 36, number 3 and 4) by Bill Cody. However, I can't find any back issues that old. Anybody have access to this article? Thanks!
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2010, 11:19 AM »
Got my hands on the "Collecting Wild Trees DVD" which was really informative, although I don't think the techniques he uses for those species will apply to central Texas landscape. I discovered there was an article written about this exact topic that was published in the Journal of the American Bonsai Society: "FINDING AND COLLECTING ASHE JUNIPERS IN CENTRAL TEXAS (fall 2002, volume 36, number 3 and 4) by Bill Cody. However, I can't find any back issues that old. Anybody have access to this article? Thanks!

You might want to contact bob k to see if he can point you in the right direction finding a copy of the article.
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2010, 06:06 PM »
I am part of the Dallas Bonsai club and I have been collecting ashe junipers in the last 3 years. For whatever reason I have been very successful. We collect in Feb at the end of winter. They are difficult to collect because they grow in rocks and clay so a shovel is not a good tool. A pick would do the trick. Mostly get as much root ball as you can. A lot of people do not get enough or they break it when they are taking it out of the hole.

Before putting it a pot, I scratch the sides to expose some roots. Then I cut them a little bit. The idea is to force the roots to grow. On the base I add pumice as my drainage layer and I add good bonsai soil on the sides. I can tell you that using good bonsai soil has made a difference in how long it takes to the tree to start growing. The last step is to put it in a shaded area completely protected from the wind under a mist system. I run it 1-2 mins every 20 mins.
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2010, 07:04 PM »
Checked my back issues. Mine run out in 2001. Sorry.
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2010, 02:18 PM »
I am part of the Dallas Bonsai club and I have been collecting ashe junipers in the last 3 years. For whatever reason I have been very successful. We collect in Feb at the end of winter. They are difficult to collect because they grow in rocks and clay so a shovel is not a good tool. A pick would do the trick. Mostly get as much root ball as you can. A lot of people do not get enough or they break it when they are taking it out of the hole.

Before putting it a pot, I scratch the sides to expose some roots. Then I cut them a little bit. The idea is to force the roots to grow. On the base I add pumice as my drainage layer and I add good bonsai soil on the sides. I can tell you that using good bonsai soil has made a difference in how long it takes to the tree to start growing. The last step is to put it in a shaded area completely protected from the wind under a mist system. I run it 1-2 mins every 20 mins.

Nice! Great info. Are you collecting older or younger material? I'm actually meeting up with the Austin Bonsai Society tonight. The president, Joey, told me that a member of the club spent roughly 20 years studying the collection of this species. His writings are going to be available to buy soon, so I'll post any additional nuggets of wisdom I may find.
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2010, 03:02 PM »
Mostly old material. Please let me know any good info. Additionally, I am looking for good collecting places. If you have any suggestions it would be strongly appreciated
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2010, 03:03 PM »
...a member of the club spent roughly 20 years studying the collection of this species. His writings are going to be available to buy soon, so I'll post any additional nuggets of wisdom I may find.

Do you know his name?
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2010, 07:38 PM »
Vito Megna or John Miller
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2011, 02:45 PM »
Just a bounce to see if any of you have obtained any more info about J. ashi. I just bought one and am looking for anything I can find
 

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Re: Collecting Ashe Juniper
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2017, 09:38 AM »
Any follow ups on this species of Juniper since these posts were made some years ago?