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Jason E
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« on: June 09, 2013, 08:39 AM »

Hello All,

Thought that I'd share a pic of a RMJ that I acquired recently. This tree originally came from Randy Knight via Ryan Neil and was purchased by our club for development/demonstration by Ryan. Ryan took the tree from raw stock over a period of 2 to 3 years working on the tree at club meetings caring for the tree at his garden between work sessions. The club has had the tree since last falls session w/ plans to auction the tree at our annual auction this spring. I was the lucky winner and the tree now has a new home. The tree hasn't put on a whole lot of growth since last falls work, my goal will be to get the tree growing vigorously and fill out the foliage. I have it in a spot where it gets full sun all day and plan on getting it on a good weekly feeding program of fish emulsion and balanced miracle grow.
Any thought or suggestions welcome as always.

Thanks, Jason
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Chrisl
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 09:47 AM »

Very cool tree Jason!  I see why you liked it so.  But for some reason the photos won't enlarge when I click on it. So I'd love to see some larger pics.  I'd love to make it out to see Ryan's garden and Randy'd stock one of these days.
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 10:24 AM »

Foliar feeding will help restore vigor.
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 11:22 AM »

It's growing vigorously now, just all immature lol  Are you saying that foliar feeding will help it revert quicker?

Does anyone know if RMJ's can convert from mature to immature with too much fertilizer?  I have to work with inorganic ferts, so I  put osmocote in those brown little plastic baskets.  I put 3 on at first, and it just got me wondering if this also could've been a reason?
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 12:05 PM »

Yes. You worked it moderately and then used a lot of osmocote to fertilize. Why can't you use organics? If it is because of animal thievery you can dust your organics with habanero pepper powder or flakes. It is fun to watch a squirrel post habanero encounter.
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 09:35 PM »

Why can't you use organics? If it is because of animal thievery you can dust your organics with habanero pepper powder or flakes. It is fun to watch a squirrel post habanero encounter.

My Lab is unphased by the stuff.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2013, 09:06 AM »

Yes. You worked it moderately and then used a lot of osmocote to fertilize. Why can't you use organics? If it is because of animal thievery you can dust your organics with habanero pepper powder or flakes. It is fun to watch a squirrel post habanero encounter.

Great to hear John!  I'll start it on a foliar feed for a mos or so and see how it goes.  I actually hadn't touched it since Peter Warren helped me style it in Aug.  And it was growing mature foliage all fall and early spring.  It reverted about the same time as the blight, the fall off the stand, and me putting a fair amt. of osmocote on.  Lesson learned here, start MUCH slower Wink

And you guessed it too, and just not animals, but rats...yuck!  Life in the city of Chicago.  Last yr., I tried putting them up, about 30, and all were gone in one day.  Put bird netting on (at the time thinking it was birds), and chewed right thru that.  Then I bought the plastic baskets, and they chewed thru that ...all eating every cake in 1 night!  Liquid organics, fish emulsion, kelp, seaweed...are all so expensive I gave up on that.  So I thought putting the osmocote in the baskets was a good idea in that I could remove whenever I want too.  I tried putting up a 30"T fencing in the back, but they're able to climb anything. 

I do have one last thing I'm going to try.  Brian Van Fleet uses Plantone, an organic, and told me it doesn't attract critters in his yard.  So a few dys ago I bought a bag and am going to make a very small batch and see how it goes.  At your suggestion, a good one too, I'll make half with some Cayenne pepper. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2013, 08:21 PM »

Thanks Chris, Base.
What do you think would be better foliar feed?, I have some seaweed extract, miracle grow or fish emulsion that would mix well.
Once a week? more often diluted?

thanks, Jason
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 09:43 PM »

Wayne, I have trained the Rotts to eat pepper, not sure either has brain enough to be phazed like a squirrel.
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2013, 08:01 AM »

Thanks Chris, Base.
What do you think would be better foliar feed?, I have some seaweed extract, miracle grow or fish emulsion that would mix well.
Once a week? more often diluted?

thanks, Jason


Jason, I would spray MG out of those three choices.  I've never foliar feed organics before and just don't know the uptake.  I have N sources from Hydro stores that I use.  It's recommended for foliar or feed and drain hydro setups.  You can get a small bottle for not much money, and which will last a long time. 
This is what I use:  http://www.hydrowholesale.com/dutch-master-dutch-master-advance-grow-a-3-0-4-liter-3515?gclid=CKyd2rnL47cCFa5DMgodmhMANQ

And Im only foliar feeding the junipers that have immature growth.  But you could incorporate it into a weekly fert program...and to answer your question, I fertilize every sunday.  I also have osmocote slow release due to not being able to use organics due to pests.
So I fertilize like Walter Pall, using 5X rec. dosage for a concentrated MG.  You can't beat the price, and I've never had any issues with salt buildup, or burnt leaves.  Even my JM's are in full sun all day long.

2 wks ago, just for grins, I bought a gal. of each General Hydroponics/Grow/Micronutrients/Flower that I'm going to try on my bonsai soon.  I have a 20 gal trashcan and a pump that should make it pretty easy to use.  You mix it in a 3:2:1 ratio for vegatative growth.

Lot's of options, but I do like that Dutch Master Advanced for foliar feeds.
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2013, 09:26 PM »

thanks Chris. I ended up purchasing a bag of bio gold organic fert. the triangle shape slow release kind. I'm going to go the organic route and supplement the bio gold w/ fish emulsion and kelp/seaweed mix.
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