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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #75 on: October 27, 2010, 10:30 AM »
For the record neither Ken nor I have claimed The Wall as art a single time.  We didn't post the pictures or start the "conversation."
Since I did start the post, posted the pictures, and tried to have a conversation with you ...and others, I'll point out that I never said "The Wall" was NOT art (though, after re-reading I'm not sure this comment was directed at me).  Also, I've mentioned here and elsewhere that I enjoyed the display (and if I'm remembering correctly, each time I referred to it).

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My mistake was trying to explain our intentions and give context to our effort in response to an arm chair quarterback critique...of course, he has a right to his opinion...informed or not.  And who would dare to think that there would be any value in making the process transparent?
As the first of the "arm chair quarterbacks", my problem with your initial response was that you were telling me how to interpret something and to forget what was apparent to me, rather than understanding that to me (and possibly others) your interpretation didn't immediately shine through.  Maybe I came off a little more combative than I'd intended in reply to your post.  I'm also not exactly sure what to make of the "informed or not bit" since I never made any assumptions as to your intent.  I believe I prefaced my comments as mere observations.

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I do find it disingenuous that on a struggling forum where the mods constantly try to spur discussion and beg for input that the only response to Ken's explanation in the process we went through in creating The Wall was from Arthur....maybe you mods should think about that a little?
I'll admit to hoping someone else would chime in on their thoughts on The Wall (as well as another display that I posted my thoughts on) but that didn't happen.  It was clear from your posts both here and elsewhere that not a lot of productivity was going to come of any discussion, and maybe I made assumptions or misread it, but Ken's post was starting to feel the same intonation.  Did you want more input from the mods here?

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Just so you know Mr. Calloway...you, and your members, will not have to be annoyed by my ego on this forum anymore...Maybe its arrogant to even think that you were talking about me, but nonetheless I am finished here.

Thanks and good luck to you all!
John

Taking into consideration this last quote, I hope this post isn't seen as me having to have the last word.
Having met Ken and several others of what was once the SC Bonsai club, I've been the recipient of their unwarranted hospitality.  I've never had the pleasure (maybe taken the opportunity is a better way of stating it) of meeting you but regret now that I seem to have offended you.  Its unfortunate (at least for me), particularly with the level of bonsai expertise in SC.

The attached image could use a little more work, but illustrates what a few changes would bring to the display (...for better OR worse).
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #76 on: October 27, 2010, 10:50 AM »
I enjoyed the show in the past, I enjoyed it this year, and I will continue to enjoy it in the future.

John and Ken are well-established and respected for their creativity and dedication to the Expo, and their own exhibit. I can't ever think of a display from them I didn't enjoy. Overall, I can't think of a single club display that I didn't find at least some enjoyment in as long as I've been going, and I have serious issues with the way one club fills their display (but that's personal). I am honored to call John, Ken, and AJ my friends; and that all started AT the Carolina Bonsai Expo.

One aspect of our given creative leeway is that we can also view some craftmanship that other club members possess. There are a number of skilled woodworkers who make displays for the Expo, and that is another enjoyable attribute that can be enjoyed and also emulated in our private collections.

There are times when I truly wish I had the means to enjoy other shows, but as time goes on, I'm beginning to understand I am in the best location possible for me to enjoy bonsai as I see perceive it. I wonder if a traditionalist club will enter a display in the coming year that changes my mind? I welcome the opportunity to find out.
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #77 on: October 27, 2010, 11:04 AM »
While I think the traditional formal displays, when set up correctly, are gorgeous to look at, I do like seeing alternative displays.  Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but it's nice to see people trying new ways to display trees at shows.

Not to mention, not all of us have the time, money or space to acquire the scrolls, stands and accents to make a traditional formal display.  The scrolls and accents may not be too costly and can likely be used in a variety of displays.  On the other hand, traditional stands to me seem to almost need to be custom made for a tree, and the cost of stands can be pretty hard to stomach.  So, for people like me, clubs exploring different display methods is great to see.  For example, I thought the use of acrylic white boxes by Walter Pall in a recent show (and used by others in other shows) was fantastic.
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #78 on: October 27, 2010, 11:23 AM »
While I think the traditional formal displays, when set up correctly, are gorgeous to look at, I do like seeing alternative displays.  Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but it's nice to see people trying new ways to display trees at shows.

Not to mention, not all of us have the time, money or space to acquire the scrolls, stands and accents to make a traditional formal display.  The scrolls and accents may not be too costly and can likely be used in a variety of displays.  On the other hand, traditional stands to me seem to almost need to be custom made for a tree, and the cost of stands can be pretty hard to stomach.  So, for people like me, clubs exploring different display methods is great to see.  For example, I thought the use of acrylic white boxes by Walter Pall in a recent show (and used by others in other shows) was fantastic.

Excellent point about the stands. One recent critique was that a stand and bonsai pot have a very small window of conformity, size-wise. The average bonsai enthusiast would be bankrupt if they tried to meet that requirement with every show-quality bonsai they tried to display. Basically as you said; a custom-made stand for each tree that would not be optimum for another.

 Luckily, compromises are understandable in Asheville!
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #79 on: October 27, 2010, 07:22 PM »
Gosh Master Al, there is not one tiny bit of arrogance or ego in that post!!

 
Thanks and good luck to you all!
John

Thanks for the title. I've earned it.

Since I see that going personal is what happens when you bruise ego's I'll just finish up by telling you and those that worked on your display what you want to hear:

Bravo, This expo has moved bonsai to a new place in contemporary bonsai art. Those around the US should take notice of how true western bonsai display should be done.



yawn, now I remember why I don't post here. I would remove a table or two next year cause by removing the bamboo dividers you can probably pack in 7 or 8 more trees.
Al
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2010, 08:57 PM »
AL,
are still the master of your own domain?

John
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2010, 09:52 PM »
AL,
are still the master of your own domain?

John

Unfortunately I have yet to find a forum that can actually discuss the real art of bonsai display. Of course finding those that actually participate in bonsai display is hard too. I guess the two go hand in hand.
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #82 on: October 28, 2010, 06:40 AM »
True. But as you have seen over the years, you've been there (on the web) since the beginning, the only real place to discuss fine components of the art and craft of bonsai and display is in person. I think that general concepts can be discussed in a two dimensional time disjointed world, the rest of it is an experience, moving the objects, viewing in the nth dimensional sense. And as we have discussed at the BIB shows, there are a lot of different ways set up individual displays, as long as the flow of the displays, the scale of the objects in the display (Trees, pots, stones, stands, accents, etc) are complimentary in a visual and artistic sense, and good work has been done (if wired, it is done well, trees healthy and appropriately prepared, pots presented in a "clean" (no loose dirt etc) and oiled (If appropriate), stand appropriate, cleaned and maintained, tree without weeds and mossed (or surface of soil cleaned and replaced so that fertilizer, etc, is not apparent. Just doing these things is a big step for many, just seeing these steps as a "requirement" for participating in a show, is good to see.  

I am not sure that we will ever get to the point that a fine historical stand, antique pot, or even the concept of the Tokonma, will be as appreciated here as much as a fine tree, part of it is cultural, but the appreciation of well thought out and set up displays can be. Just my opinion, like everthing else we all have one.
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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2010, 07:17 AM »
Gosh Master Al, there is not one tiny bit of arrogance or ego in that post!!

 
Thanks and good luck to you all!
John

Thanks for the title. I've earned it.

Since I see that going personal is what happens when you bruise ego's I'll just finish up by telling you and those that worked on your display what you want to hear:

Bravo, This expo has moved bonsai to a new place in contemporary bonsai art. Those around the US should take notice of how true western bonsai display should be done.



yawn, now I remember why I don't post here. I would remove a table or two next year cause by removing the bamboo dividers you can probably pack in 7 or 8 more trees.
Al

That was just plain wrong. Too bad we can't lure you away from the left coast to come show us country boys how it's done.

Good luck with your bonsai stand sales.
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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #84 on: October 28, 2010, 08:52 AM »
I don't sell stands. Ask a lot of BIB members who wish to commission stands each year I come to the show.

I do know when you need them and which one is appropriate though. I did build 4 stands last year for Kathy Shaners display seminar she gave on Sunday after last years Kazari.


and finally...I will stay on the left coast thank you. I have met and read enough from right coasters that leads me to believe they have nothing left to prove east of the Miss....

Spend some time on the left coast and the talent out here and things are very different.
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #85 on: October 28, 2010, 10:08 AM »
I don't sell stands. Ask a lot of BIB members who wish to commission stands each year I come to the show.

I do know when you need them and which one is appropriate though. I did build 4 stands last year for Kathy Shaners display seminar she gave on Sunday after last years Kazari.


and finally...I will stay on the left coast thank you. I have met and read enough from right coasters that leads me to believe they have nothing left to prove east of the Miss....

Spend some time on the left coast and the talent out here and things are very different.

You made that too easy, Al. Since you have indicated you have no liking of anything on the right end of the country, I guess we'll not have to worry about your critiques of the Carolina Bonsai Expo anymore.

You might not sell stands now, but I remember at one time you did.  

BTW- you insulted friends of mine who did not deserve it. I don't think you and I will be having a beer-summit anytime soon.

Ultra-conservative mindset from the land of the 9th Circuit. Now that's ironic!
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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #86 on: October 28, 2010, 11:13 AM »
Pretty easy to see that feelings have been hurt and egos bruised.  That's a shame.

I commend those with the courage to try something new, and the open mind to listen honestly to critiques.  I hope to one day visit the Expo and see the trees and hard work in person.

I have seen trees in the eastern US, west, and middle.  Lots of great talent across this country, and some magnificent trees.  I think those on the west coast have the benefit of a more dense bonsai population.  I hope that the density increases across the rest of the country as bonsai continues to spread and grow.

Thank you, Wayne, for taking the time to photograph the display and attempting to start meaningful bonsai conversation.


Take care, all.
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #87 on: October 28, 2010, 01:25 PM »
Pretty easy to see that feelings have been hurt and egos bruised.  That's a shame.

I commend those with the courage to try something new, and the open mind to listen honestly to critiques.  I hope to one day visit the Expo and see the trees and hard work in person.

I have seen trees in the eastern US, west, and middle.  Lots of great talent across this country, and some magnificent trees.  I think those on the west coast have the benefit of a more dense bonsai population.  I hope that the density increases across the rest of the country as bonsai continues to spread and grow.

Thank you, Wayne, for taking the time to photograph the display and attempting to start meaningful bonsai conversation.






Take care, all.


I could not agree with you more about how good bonsai is where you find it. No one has the market cornered. I have been fortunate enough to spend time with many notables in bonsai who are as diverse as this world is. The worst thing one can do is refuse to see what is there in front of them. We all need to remember that.
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