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johng

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2010, 12:47 PM »
Interesting thoughts Wayne...thanks for your time in posting and thinking/writing

forget the quadrants and the diagonal lines radiating from a central point...never considered

Look for triangular relationships...there are many...some planned, some not...some adjacent and some not

there are no "primary" focal points(which might be an issue)...we hoped for something that let your eye flow from top to bottom and side to side...area to area...if you try to take it all in in just one glance it will not work...you have to slow down and purposefully view the entire display to see it all. 

The other thing that I saw happening in terms of viewing over the weekend was that you needed to back away from display to really appreciate it...I think that is the difference in viewing trees and viewing a larger display..I think most people are conditioned to look only at the trees and not the whole.  Think about a tokonoma...you sit back away from the display..its not about getting close and looking at the intricacies of the tree, scroll or accessory...its about taking in the entire display.  Last year we forced viewers to back away from our display by placing some lighting boxes about 6 feet away...veiwers were limited to viewing from beyond the boxes...this had two noticeable effects.  First, people saw the display...recognized and appreciated the theme.  Second, they griped because they could not get close enough to see the details of the tree.  This year we made the decision to bring the viewers closer again..mainly to see the smaller trees...I think this move back fired in terms of appreciating the whole.

As to size...since everything was about 12" or less it is difficult to differentiate...We spent a lot of time on this during the design phase. I might suggest that you could take this further than just looking at height and think about visual mass...I think you will find significant variation in spite of the similarity in heights.

I am including two pics...
the first is a little different way of looking at the visual mass
the second...negative space.

Thanks,
John


 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2010, 05:40 PM »
John, I hope that the displays had the effect on folks that the artists were looking. Very nice group of trees displayed throughout, and in the arboretum. Cheers, John
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2010, 07:50 PM »
Thanks John!

John
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2010, 08:07 PM »
forget the quadrants and the diagonal lines radiating from a central point...never considered

I think that's what I was saying.  Regardless of whether you guys considered it, its all I could see in the display.

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Look for triangular relationships...there are many...some planned, some not...some adjacent and some not
As I mentioned, there were some nice displays within the display.  I particularly liked:
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there are no "primary" focal points(which might be an issue)...we hoped for something that let your eye flow from top to bottom and side to side...area to area...if you try to take it all in in just one glance it will not work...you have to slow down and purposefully view the entire display to see it all.

Again, all I see are lines leading to a tree that's not dissimilar from the others. 

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As to size...since everything was about 12" or less it is difficult to differentiate...We spent a lot of time on this during the design phase. I might suggest that you could take this further than just looking at height and think about visual mass...I think you will find significant variation in spite of the similarity in heights.

Again, I mentioned earlier that since the novelty of the display was such a feature of the display (sorry for my circuitous description), making the display shohin-only added a level of complexity (not sure that's the right word) that I'm not sure added to the display.  I think in this case, some variation of sizes would've alleviated the appearance (to me?) of lines, ...or adding a feature tree that's of a different size might benefit the display as well.

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I am including two pics...
the first is a little different way of looking at the visual mass
the second...negative space.

The first still just highlights the linear placement of the trees.
The second shows how evenly they're placed in the quadrants.



I liked the display.  I hope that this post doesn't confuse the issue.  I'm just clarifying what I said (or meant to say?) in my previous post.  I wasn't interpreting the display, or offering a means of interpretations, but pointing out what became obvious to me after taking the display in for several minutes.  Those same things translated into the photographs as well (I was wondering if it'd be similarly obvious in photographs).  It certainly made a statement, but I thought a few changes would improve the message. 
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2010, 08:45 PM »
Thanks for the feedback Wayne....food for thought for the next time.  I do hope your club will be joining in the next time.  Walter is coming.  From one extreme to the other.  Seems like a perfect opportunity for some creative displays..I can't wait to see what the clubs come up with.

John
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2010, 09:49 PM »
John and Ken,

You two always make us proud to be bonsai enthusiasts in South Carolina.  Many us us would love to take a few classes from both you and Ken.

Dan O'Neal
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2010, 01:48 PM »
Thanks Dan!!! 

John
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2010, 05:20 PM »
Thank You Dan.
Ken
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #53 on: October 15, 2010, 03:01 PM »
After reading some of the comments here and hearing thoughts from different people at the Expo, I thought I would try and explain how about two years ago John and I started with this idea.
There were three main goals that we started out with. First, show trees from every member in the group. Second show as many trees  as possible with out it being to cluttered. Third, keep all of the trees under 12" tall. We knew that this would be hard to pull off but we both love a challenge.
In past displays we tried to keep the number of trees to a minimum to give an open and uncluttered feeling. We have always felt that it is important to have a wide range of heights, styles, types of trees, color etc., to give variety and interest. We also feel that the best trees possible should be used.
This was an evolution of ideas that changed many times as we talked about how to overcome the many obvious problems. First, how do you show twenty trees on a twelve foot long table with out it being to busy looking? We decided to go vertical so we could have layers. What trees will look good when they are placed up high? How do you make the trees stand out and show off each one? We came up with a light color background and suspended shelves. How do you keep variety in height when the trees are 12" to 3" tall and most of the fifty of so trees we had to choose from are 6" tall and we were use to dealing with trees from 40" to 3" in a display? How do you make it flow? These are just a few of the problems and questions that came up.
With these kinds of problems the only thing to do was to compromise. The trees would not be the best that we had. The range in heights could not be that different so we tried to use the location of the trees along with different masses, colors, styles and types of trees to show a variety. There would not be a lot of open space and so on.
When someone creates art they can not control how someone sees or interprets it, you can only have control over how you view it and if it pleases you. I did not ever see nor do I now see this display as looking through a gun site with radiating lines but I see it as a sinuous movement of layers of hill tops and relationships between different trees. Maybe that is just me.
There was a comment made to me at the Expo from a professional photographer who said that the display gave him a very calm feeling and he related to me how what he had learned about composition in photography was used in a very effective way in the display.
There is not a main focus in this display as in most of the displays at the Expo, to me you start looking at the tree or group of trees that catch your eye and your eye moves from there and hopefully keeps moving with in the display for a while finding different relationships with different trees.
I do not know if we accomplished all of our goals but I do think that after a lot of brainstorming and many hours of work we did our best, although I do feel that we could have done some things different, there is always room for improvement in everything.
What do we do next year?
Ken
 
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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2010, 04:49 PM »
Ken - I enjoyed reading your comments about the thought and work invested in the Black Creek Study Group display. You usually are not inclined to write so much! Anyone who saw the display in person would know how much effort went into it, because it was really an excellent piece of work. I returned many times during the weekend to look at it and study the individual bonsai, and contemplate the arrangement of all its parts. As a creative attempt to expand the boundaries of bonsai display, which is encouraged at this show, it was a great success. There were several strong creative efforts put forth by the various clubs, all of them worthy of admiration but most falling just a little short of the goal. Still, I'd much rather see a show done that way than one where everyone feels compelled to adhere to the traditional methods. People were being expressive, being creative, and that's a stimulating atmosphere to experience. Thanks to you and John and the other Black Creek members for making such an enjoyable contribution.
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2010, 10:37 PM »
Thanks for all the great information and description, guys.  Sounds like a lot of thought and effort went into it, and a lot of fun had, too!

Congrats.
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #56 on: October 18, 2010, 06:59 AM »
Thank You Arthur for making a place for innovation in Bonsai.

You are welcome John, and it was a lot of fun as always.

Ken   
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2010, 10:56 AM »
Another innovative display shown @ this year's expo was the effort of a club that was new to participating at the show.  You can see a (the?) portion of the display that I thought was unique below:


I really liked how the trees were staged and staggered.  I thought the use of natural/rugged looking materials was also fitting.  The trees will improve with time, but most seemed to be of the appropriate form for their placement in the display.  The small accent, on the other-colored block of wood, right above the #25 looks out of place, but that may be a matter of taste on my part.  The display doesn't seem to suffer any with that block/accent removed any, and its possible that it could've been used elsewhere.

I liked this display/grouping ...until I got to the pinnacle of the display.


Would anyone care to decipher the theme or message of this display?  Even better if someone from this club could offer their reasoning for placing a dead tree so prominently.
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2010, 12:35 PM »
As usual, I thought the quality of the bonsai improved yet again. Over the years there have been some good trees, but they are becoming more numerous as time goes on. Always an enjoyable event.

Concerning the guest artist's critique; suffice it to say, "think Japanese emphasis",  and you can get a good grasp on it. That's not being critical, just objective. To each their own.

Our particular display was going to only have three (possibly four) larger trees, but two club members who had never shown a bonsai in the Expo before, began to show interest. As a club, this is a great thing, and you can bet we nurtured that interest. We ended up with five bonsai and it did change the set up from the original plan. Personally, I was happy about it.

The "Columbia Boys" did what they always do and designed a quality display. It was "outside the box"  so-to-speak, but I find that very refreshing. I appreciate quality bonsai as much as anyone, but this is a CLUB/GROUP competition. In my opinion some sort of overall effect must encompass all of that club's bonsai. To stray from traditional Japanese tastes will always draw some criticism, but it also helps bonsaists in the U.S. start to establish their own style of bonsai and events, just like the rest of the world has the opportunity to do. A couple of years back our club did something that was vocally called "trailer-trash" by an individual at the event. Did I like that? No. Still, I couldn't legally ask him to step outside and say it, so it went in the category of different tastes for different people. I'm good with that.

I would hope that anyone who ever attends the Expo will go there with the understanding that each bonsai is their on it's own merit BUT the Club/Group presentation is the main emphasis of the event.

P.S. I though Jim Doyle's "swinesai" was funny as hell. I like to see that kind of humor. Uppity, cynical types are not my cup of tea.





 
 

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Re: Carolina Bonsai Expo 2010 Pictures
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2010, 12:52 PM »
P.S. I though Jim Doyle's "swinesai" was funny as hell. I like to see that kind of humor. Uppity, cynical types are not my cup of tea.



Those are pig figures around the base of and spread thru the scene.  There was also a note (thats washed out/overexposed in the photo that denotes this as "Swinesai".)
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