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Yenling83

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A few questions I have about pots at Kokufu.
« on: September 21, 2012, 03:00 PM »
A few questions I have about pots at Kokufu.

1. What percentage of pots in the Kokufu are the same pot which the tree is kept year round?


2. Are the pots these trees are kept in year round always larger(providing more room for the roots/soil) than show pots in the Kokufu?


3. What percentage would you guess are non-antique Chinese pots at Kokufu?
 

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Re: A few questions I have about pots at Kokufu.
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2012, 03:40 PM »
i would guess that 0% of the pots are non-antique chinese pots. I could be wrong but i dont think modern chinese pots are of high enough quality.  Or are you asking what percentage of pots are something other than antique chinese?
 

Yenling83

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Re: A few questions I have about pots at Kokufu.
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2012, 03:53 PM »
i would guess that 0% of the pots are non-antique chinese pots. I could be wrong but i dont think modern chinese pots are of high enough quality.  Or are you asking what percentage of pots are something other than antique chinese?

Sorry for not clarifying more.  I'm talking about non accent pots and wondering what percentage are non Antique Chinese pots?  So, I was mostly wondering how many Japanese made pots or Modern pots are in the Kokufu? Wondering about older Japanese made pots too. hope that makes sense.
 

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Re: A few questions I have about pots at Kokufu.
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2012, 06:00 PM »
ok now that i understand I have no idea ;)
 

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Re: A few questions I have about pots at Kokufu.
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2012, 08:28 PM »
Yen,
There are a number of Japanese pots- Shouzan, Gyozan, once in a while a Bunzan, and quite a number of Shukhuo and Tokufuji, the Shohin and some other small trees are in a mix of high end Japanese and old Chinese. You also see some stones and slabs, most likely all Japanese, but who knows. Just what I've seen and conversations with Akio and Tanakas-an at the show.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2012, 08:32 PM by John Kirby »
 

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Re: A few questions I have about pots at Kokufu.
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2012, 04:39 PM »
Yen,
There are a number of Japanese pots- Shouzan, Gyozan, once in a while a Bunzan, and quite a number of Shukhuo and Tokufuji, the Shohin and some other small trees are in a mix of high end Japanese and old Chinese. You also see some stones and slabs, most likely all Japanese, but who knows. Just what I've seen and conversations with Akio and Tanakas-an at the show.

Thanks John!
 

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Re: A few questions I have about pots at Kokufu.
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2013, 01:29 AM »
Yenling,
John has it mostly correct, but I can add some additional information.  Very few pots are used in Kokufu are used year round for the trees, but some are, maybe 20%.  All told, a decent Kokufu tree, pot purchase, stand purchase, and fees(artist and exhibit) is between $9,000 and $20,000.  Many collectors rent pots and stands from the preparing artist: it's expensive enough as it is without buying the 3,000$ pot and the $2,000 stand!
Chinese Antiques make up around 75-90% of the pots at Kokufu for large trees, depending on the year(and this info relates only to the contemporary era, post 1970).  For shohin and Chuhin bonsai, pots used are exactly the same proportions and percentages as at Gafu Ten or Shuga Ten, with modern potters of good quality completely acceptable, though most displays will incorporate one major top ten Japanese potter: Tofukuji, Heian Kouzan, Yusen, Ino Shukuho, Isseki, Ryuen, Takemoto, Makuzu Kouzan, Syuzan, and Gishin.
As for the larger trees, Tofukuji appears often, and one sees Ino Shukuho, Heian Kouzan, Gyozan, Koyo and a lot of regional Japanese Antiques, mostly old painted pots: Imari Yaki, Owari Yaki, and Kutani Yaki.  A couple of years ago, a tree in an Ino Shukuho pot took a Kokufu Sho prize, so Contemporary potters not only are acceptable, but prize worthy if appropriate! 
But of all Non Chinese Antiques used in Kokufu, none are more prevalent than Suzuki Syuzan.  He takes the lions share of Japanese makers by far, in some years as many as 15% of the total pots for large trees are Syuzan!  There's an article on him on my website
Http://JapaneseBonsaiPots.net/
It's under the table of contents.  Hope this clarifies things for you a bit, I've wondered and studied the same thing myself in the albums(it helps to be able to read "Pottery Kanji" the only kind I can)!
 

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Re: A few questions I have about pots at Kokufu.
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2013, 06:40 AM »
I always forget Syuzan, must bra mental block.