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rockm

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2010, 08:14 AM »
The "problem" for me, if you'd call it that, is this is very much a destination-type event. There is no real other reason to travel to Rochester, NY in June (unless you have relatives there  :D). There are a hundred other summer destinations that have more overall appeal and are an easier sell to the spouse than Rochester.   If it is a "destination event,"  not showing the destination in promoting it is not real helpful.

Also, if I were a paying attendee, having to buy an album, or a magazine to see photos of what I paid  to see would be kind of a turn off...

 The European Bonsai Association apparently doesn't have problems with photography now, even though it also (if I remember correctly) prohibited photos of the exhibits for a while when it started.

BTW, There are already photos of this event online. Will they be taken down? Prohibitions on information always fall by the wayside...They simply don't work in today's world.
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2010, 08:34 AM »
I thought Rob Kempinski took some photographs at the last one and posted teasers somewhere.

Were I a decision maker, I'd post the 2nd and 3rd place winners in each category to the web somewhere and let book buyers see who the winner was.
 

Don Blackmond

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2010, 09:40 AM »
I'd wager that people who want to buy the book will buy the book whether or not photos are on the internet somewhere.  I don't see much, if any, effect on book sales if photos are posted.  Perhaps, posting low-medium quality photos of some of the trees may actually inspire people to buy the book.  Who knows.  Fact is, its Bill's show to do with what he wants, and critics and supporters are free to express their opinions.  I am pretty sure Bill will consider all factors as he organizes and carries out this event in the future.  I hope it very successful, whatever the rules may be.
 

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2010, 09:47 AM »
Were I the event promoters, I would allow ALL photography by anyone with a digital camera and the ability to post photos online. Photographs, posted freely, by those without a relationship to the event, are free publicity and will only add to the show's rep. It's gold in this era of electronic media. Commercial marketers understand this and have been working to tap into indirect online marketing.

Anyway, Photos--even professional photos--NEVER do justice to good bonsai, everyone knows that. There is no substitute for seeing a bonsai in person. There is a feeling about some trees that eludes photography.

The selling point for a show like this, I would think, would be the assembled PEOPLE, not the trees. Bonsai is all about people, anyway. Having all that knowledge, experience, personalities --and vendors--all in one place is the real draw of this show IMO. There isn't an exhibition in the US that has this kind of National draw.

The tree exhibition is really a side show...a very NICE side show...but really secondary to the assembled expertise and access to it...
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2010, 07:27 PM »
I am so glad that there are not that many pictures online.  I don't want to go to NY.  Since I don't know what I am missing I don't have the urge to find out.
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2010, 08:57 PM »
I heard exhibit was fantastic from several people who attended. But I was also told the facility had a ton of people in wheelchairs with nursing home appearance that would not have been photo friendly.I agree the No Photos policy probably applies to financial arrangement with several magazines plus book contract language/copyright. Yes it is hard to compete with instant communication from internet,Facebook, Twitter.   Dustin Mann
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2010, 11:12 PM »
Bill V. has posted photos of the winning trees along with a couple shots of the exhibit on a different forum.  Feel free to search them out.

Dave
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2010, 09:23 AM »
http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4074


ps.  (We know there are other forums.  No need for nebulous references.)
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2010, 11:50 AM »
Thanks for adding the link Wayne, didn't want to step on any toes, ya know.

Dave
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2010, 08:29 PM »
Boy, looks like the Rochester geographic really cleaned up with 3 category awards. That's a testamonial- that you Hot Action?
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2010, 07:47 AM »

Dave, aka. Hot Action, actually attended the Exhibition for two full days. I know that he attended the demos, spent hours in the vendor area, came to the banquet, and spent hours studying the trees in the Exhibition Hall and speaking with many attendees and Artists. He is a young man with a true Bonsai heart. He is a student and has many legitimate reasons for not attending such as time and expenses but he found a way to make it happen.
 Many people have talked about a National show and how it SHOULD be done, one man has done it twice and is already working on the third.
Here is yet another review from someone who attended and exhibited in the 2nd US National Bonsai Exhibition.
http://www.bonsaiwest.com/news.html

Marc
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2010, 08:20 AM »
Oh c'mon. Yeah, it's a great event. Yeah, it's worth attending, but spare those that can't afford to come the snide criticism. Student generally don't have households to support.

The thought that those who don't attend aren't "legitimate" smacks of the kind of elitism that has no place in a true "bonsai heart." The mind that ignores suggestion or even critical remarks, does so at its owner's expense. Nothing ever improves with patting one's own back.
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2010, 09:00 PM »
A video review of the 2010 2nd US National Bonsai Exhibition can be found on YouTube at:

2010 2nd US NATIONAL BONSAI EXHIBITION

I hope I can welcome you to the 3rd US National Bonsai Exhibition which will be held on June 9-10, 2012 in Rochester, New York.

Enjoy the video!

Bill
 

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2010, 10:52 PM »
 :o :o :o

Bill, Very Very Nice! Excellent display! Excellent sales area! Excellent international guests!

And excellent production of the video!  8)

That is the perfect answer to the marketing 'issues' some people had. ;)

I am now thinking of how I could make to Rochester in 2012...and I'm in Australia!

Thank you for putting on such a great exhibition, and showing us all what we are missing!

Scott.
 

Don Blackmond

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Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2010, 08:09 AM »
Pretty cool, Bill.