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Title: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Hotaction on June 06, 2010, 02:32 PM
Is anyone planning on attending?  With demonstrations on both Saturday and Sunday, along with all the vendors, and not to mention the exhibit, this will no doubt be a great weekend.  I'm getting excited just thinkging about it.

Dave
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Hotaction on June 13, 2010, 06:27 PM
Wow WOW wow Double WOW!!!! For all you who missed it, just let me tell you...WOW!!!!!

Dave
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: MatsuBonsai on June 13, 2010, 06:46 PM
Let's see the pictures and hear the report!
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Hotaction on June 13, 2010, 10:37 PM
Sorry no cameras, but the exhibit was world class.  Phenomenal trees from all parts of the country.  Fantastic demos by both Marco Invernizzi as well as Master Kunio Koboyashi accompanied (and translated) by student Peter Warren.  Tons of vendors with everything you might want.  

Our very own Boon won an award and my congratulations to him.  (I believe it was for best tree and container combo)

Suthin Sukosolvisit was the recipient of Finest Bonsai Masterpiece with his entry of a very impressive 5-needle pine.

A display from the NC arboretum won the award for best western display.

Pedro Morales won finest shohin exhibit, with a very nice unconventional display. (frosted glass stand)

One of my personal favorites, an Eastern White Cedar won the award for Best North American Species.

There was so much to do infact, I only spent 5 minutes in the exhibit on Saturday.  (Most of which was spent searching for that EWC I knew was hiding in amongst the trees)  I was able to spend much more time in the exhibit room today, and again WOW!

Anyone who can attend any future exhibit of this caliber and magnitude should strive to do so.

Dave
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: rockm on June 14, 2010, 09:03 AM
I can't believe the exhibit is "world class" as they have banned photos to pump sales of the exhibit book. That's not really "world class," as much as it is kinda silly.

The web is alive with photos of not only European bonsai shows (even the big ones), but Japanese shows (even Kokufu allows in some with restrictions  :-\ ).

I think the organizers of this show are kind of shooting themselves in the foot with this policy--especially in such a huge market as the US. Suppressing photos only suppresses interest.  It does nothing else. The thought that photos should be available only in book form for a price kind of ignores what's been happening in media and technology for the last decade or so...

You really want to drive interest, show people what they're missing. There is simply no way to encompass a complete show experience than to go in person. Photos NEVER do justice to great bonsai. There is no danger of losing attendance by allowing photography. There IS, however, a downside to losing attendance by NOT allowing it...
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: bwaynef on June 14, 2010, 09:46 AM
Theres a downside to book sales if photography's allowed, though I'd wager not much.  Folks who weren't going to buy the book still won't simply because they can't see pictures elsewhere ...and I'd expect that a lot of folks that buy the book could care less about seeing (mediocre?) pictures online.
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: rockm on June 14, 2010, 10:37 AM
That's my point exactly. There is no substantial downside to allowing photos. There is a big potential upside because it would show people what these folks are talking about when they heap praise on this event (I have no doubt it's great, photos would help show how great.) Not talking about intensive, up close shots of each and every tree, shots of the exhibit  room, vendor area, a few individual trees would go A VERY long way in making me think about making the commitment to spend hundreds on driving eight hours to get there next year...
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: rockm on June 14, 2010, 10:41 AM
The European Bonsai Association show apparently has no qualms about photography at their annual event (which was also this past weekend):
http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/bonsai-f1/eba-convention-2010-in-zurich-switzerland-t3298.htm#32889 (http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/bonsai-f1/eba-convention-2010-in-zurich-switzerland-t3298.htm#32889)
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Hotaction on June 14, 2010, 11:42 AM
Well, Rock it is worth it.  There were cameras allowed in the entire vendor area, but I didn't realize it would be in a seperate banquet hall this year, so I left my camera at home.  With many great bonsai from collections around the country such as the National Arboretum, Pacific Rim Collection, Montreal Botanic Garden, Chicago botanic garden, etc. This was no joke.  Everyone I spoke to was awed at the magnitude of this event.  Nothing like it before in this country EVER!!!  I spoke with plenty of people who came from down your way, and much further who were not disappointed. 

Oh yeah, if they did have cameras in the exhibit, it would be a complete disaster.  There were LOTS of visitors and the exhibit was very busy, and that is without everyone trying to snap pictures of the over 200 trees.

Dave
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: rockm on June 14, 2010, 12:50 PM
Well, Dave, prove it...Everyone I've spoken with says the same as you. I've no real reason to doubt it. Talk really doesn't really make me want to go though. For every one person you spoke with up there from here, I could match them tenfold with people who didn't opt to go. Think photos wouldn't help motivation?

Really, defending a "no photos" policy, in the Internet age. Really? C'mon...
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Hotaction on June 14, 2010, 01:25 PM
Well, Dave, prove it

Shall I draw a picture ???  I'll see Bill V tonight, and ask him if he plans on posting a little teaser set of photos.  That is the best I can do. 

This is my comment on another forum, not that it will change your opinion, "This was the nicest show ever seen in America, EVER! This is an historic moment in bonsai for this country. A statement to the world about the level of bonsai in this country was made this weekend. We are no longer the "red-headed step child" of the bonsai world."

Rock, you've made many posts over the years, and expected people to at least consider your advice.  However, it is only as of late that you've posted a picture of your own.  Should we have told you to "prove it" all  that time, or can words be worth something without pictures?
Dave
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: rockm on June 14, 2010, 02:18 PM
Fer cryin out loud. I am not asking people to drive three or four hundred miles, put up the money for a hotel and daily admission to an exhibit.

I'm not questioning Bill V's ability to put together a world class show. He is more than able to do that. I'm just questioning walling off a potentially huge promotional opportunity....If this is such a big deal, why not show prospective attendees WHY it's a big deal? Hollywood has long understood providing glimpses of new films without giving away the entire show--
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Hotaction on June 14, 2010, 02:56 PM
Fer cryin out loud. I am not asking people to drive three or four hundred miles, put up the money for a hotel and daily admission to an exhibit.

I'm not questioning Bill V's ability to put together a world class show. He is more than able to do that. I'm just questioning walling off a potentially huge promotional opportunity....If this is such a big deal, why not show prospective attendees WHY it's a big deal? Hollywood has long understood providing glimpses of new films without giving away the entire show--

Can't say I disagree with you at all as far as promotional/marketing strategy.  I'm sure some teaser pics would do wonders to promote the event.  However, I understand the reasons why not also.  Attendance was superb, with over 200 people at the dinner and auction, and countless more through the exhibit and vendor area.

My feelings towards those who haven't attended isn't disdain for not supporting, rather I'm trying to let the people who have to make a larger commitment to attend aware that it is well worth it.

Dave
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: John Kirby on June 14, 2010, 08:07 PM
I wonder who Bill let have a permission pass to photograph the show , like he gets at Kokufu. I am sure there was spomeone apporved to shoot pictures, yet not slow down traffic walking through the show.

John
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Hotaction on June 14, 2010, 11:35 PM
I wonder who Bill let have a permission pass to photograph the show , like he gets at Kokufu. I am sure there was spomeone apporved to shoot pictures, yet not slow down traffic walking through the show.

John

No doubt.  I just don't happen to know who that person(s) is.  I certainly saw them there however.  I spoke with a gentleman from Bonsai Focus, but the conversation was more cordial than bonsai related.  So perhaps keep an eye out for upcoming issues.


Dave
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: rockm on June 15, 2010, 08:14 AM
The "problem" for me, if you'd call it that, is this is very much a destination-type event. There is no real other reason to travel to Rochester, NY in June (unless you have relatives there  :D). There are a hundred other summer destinations that have more overall appeal and are an easier sell to the spouse than Rochester.   If it is a "destination event,"  not showing the destination in promoting it is not real helpful.

Also, if I were a paying attendee, having to buy an album, or a magazine to see photos of what I paid  to see would be kind of a turn off...

 The European Bonsai Association apparently doesn't have problems with photography now, even though it also (if I remember correctly) prohibited photos of the exhibits for a while when it started.

BTW, There are already photos of this event online. Will they be taken down? Prohibitions on information always fall by the wayside...They simply don't work in today's world.
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: bwaynef on June 15, 2010, 08:34 AM
I thought Rob Kempinski took some photographs at the last one and posted teasers somewhere.

Were I a decision maker, I'd post the 2nd and 3rd place winners in each category to the web somewhere and let book buyers see who the winner was.
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Don Blackmond on June 15, 2010, 09:40 AM
I'd wager that people who want to buy the book will buy the book whether or not photos are on the internet somewhere.  I don't see much, if any, effect on book sales if photos are posted.  Perhaps, posting low-medium quality photos of some of the trees may actually inspire people to buy the book.  Who knows.  Fact is, its Bill's show to do with what he wants, and critics and supporters are free to express their opinions.  I am pretty sure Bill will consider all factors as he organizes and carries out this event in the future.  I hope it very successful, whatever the rules may be.
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: rockm on June 15, 2010, 09:47 AM
Were I the event promoters, I would allow ALL photography by anyone with a digital camera and the ability to post photos online. Photographs, posted freely, by those without a relationship to the event, are free publicity and will only add to the show's rep. It's gold in this era of electronic media. Commercial marketers understand this and have been working to tap into indirect online marketing.

Anyway, Photos--even professional photos--NEVER do justice to good bonsai, everyone knows that. There is no substitute for seeing a bonsai in person. There is a feeling about some trees that eludes photography.

The selling point for a show like this, I would think, would be the assembled PEOPLE, not the trees. Bonsai is all about people, anyway. Having all that knowledge, experience, personalities --and vendors--all in one place is the real draw of this show IMO. There isn't an exhibition in the US that has this kind of National draw.

The tree exhibition is really a side show...a very NICE side show...but really secondary to the assembled expertise and access to it...
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: BONSAI_OUTLAW on June 15, 2010, 07:27 PM
I am so glad that there are not that many pictures online.  I don't want to go to NY.  Since I don't know what I am missing I don't have the urge to find out.
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Dustin Mann on June 19, 2010, 08:57 PM
I heard exhibit was fantastic from several people who attended. But I was also told the facility had a ton of people in wheelchairs with nursing home appearance that would not have been photo friendly.I agree the No Photos policy probably applies to financial arrangement with several magazines plus book contract language/copyright. Yes it is hard to compete with instant communication from internet,Facebook, Twitter.   Dustin Mann
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Hotaction on June 19, 2010, 11:12 PM
Bill V. has posted photos of the winning trees along with a couple shots of the exhibit on a different forum.  Feel free to search them out.

Dave
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: bwaynef on June 20, 2010, 09:23 AM
http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4074 (http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4074)


ps.  (We know there are other forums.  No need for nebulous references.)
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Hotaction on June 20, 2010, 11:50 AM
Thanks for adding the link Wayne, didn't want to step on any toes, ya know.

Dave
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Dustin Mann on June 24, 2010, 08:29 PM
Boy, looks like the Rochester geographic really cleaned up with 3 category awards. That's a testamonial- that you Hot Action?
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Marc on July 05, 2010, 07:47 AM

Dave, aka. Hot Action, actually attended the Exhibition for two full days. I know that he attended the demos, spent hours in the vendor area, came to the banquet, and spent hours studying the trees in the Exhibition Hall and speaking with many attendees and Artists. He is a young man with a true Bonsai heart. He is a student and has many legitimate reasons for not attending such as time and expenses but he found a way to make it happen.
 Many people have talked about a National show and how it SHOULD be done, one man has done it twice and is already working on the third.
Here is yet another review from someone who attended and exhibited in the 2nd US National Bonsai Exhibition.
http://www.bonsaiwest.com/news.html (http://www.bonsaiwest.com/news.html)

Marc
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: rockm on July 06, 2010, 08:20 AM
Oh c'mon. Yeah, it's a great event. Yeah, it's worth attending, but spare those that can't afford to come the snide criticism. Student generally don't have households to support.

The thought that those who don't attend aren't "legitimate" smacks of the kind of elitism that has no place in a true "bonsai heart." The mind that ignores suggestion or even critical remarks, does so at its owner's expense. Nothing ever improves with patting one's own back.
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: William N. Valavanis on July 07, 2010, 09:00 PM
A video review of the 2010 2nd US National Bonsai Exhibition can be found on YouTube at:

2010 2nd US NATIONAL BONSAI EXHIBITION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDHALrvp2CI#normal)

I hope I can welcome you to the 3rd US National Bonsai Exhibition which will be held on June 9-10, 2012 in Rochester, New York.

Enjoy the video!

Bill
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: scottroxburgh on July 07, 2010, 10:52 PM
 :o :o :o

Bill, Very Very Nice! Excellent display! Excellent sales area! Excellent international guests!

And excellent production of the video!  8)

That is the perfect answer to the marketing 'issues' some people had. ;)

I am now thinking of how I could make to Rochester in 2012...and I'm in Australia!

Thank you for putting on such a great exhibition, and showing us all what we are missing!

Scott.
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Don Blackmond on July 08, 2010, 08:09 AM
Pretty cool, Bill.
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: MatsuBonsai on July 08, 2010, 01:46 PM
Nicely done, Bill.  Thanks for sharing!

Another exhibit in June?  I was hoping you might try late winter next time.
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: William N. Valavanis on July 08, 2010, 02:49 PM
John,

Glad you enjoyed the video. The book will be much better!

Late winter is questionable because of the weather, spring is too busy with bonsai. Autumn is not good because of my annual symposia (now 30 years and going strong). Winter? Who wants to come to Rochester (even if they could get through all the snow, about 120 inches yearly) when it's cold outside. So, I'm afraid early summer is best.

Hope you can join us next time John,

Bill
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: MatsuBonsai on July 08, 2010, 03:18 PM
I figured as much regarding the timing, though I had heard you might be rotating through the seasons.  With mostly azaleas and JBP in my collection is really hard to get away in June.  Too muich work to do.  Who knows, maybe I can work something out in order to make the next one.

I'm sure there are different schools of thought (and this thread surely shows that) but seeing some pictures and now this great video has piqued my interest and I will likely be purchasing the book. 

Thanks again for sharing, and thanks for the quick reply.
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: shimsuki on July 08, 2010, 05:42 PM
Bill,
I really liked the video and can't wait to get the book. I will definitely try and make the next one, and maybe even get to bring a tree to show.


Shimsuki
Title: Re: 2nd National Exhibit.
Post by: Marc on July 14, 2010, 06:15 PM

Yet another review and more photos of the 2nd US National Bonsai Exhibition from the next President of Bonsai Clubs International Rob Kempinski.

http://blogs.knowledgeofbonsai.org/rob_kempinski/2010/07/12/2nd-us-national-exhibition/ (http://blogs.knowledgeofbonsai.org/rob_kempinski/2010/07/12/2nd-us-national-exhibition/)

Marc