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Presentation => Bonsai Pot Discussion => Topic started by: Yenling83 on September 23, 2011, 10:33 PM

Title: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Yenling83 on September 23, 2011, 10:33 PM
I was very excited to get this in the mail a few days ago.  Old Chinese pot, use to be red clay, I really like how it darkened up over the years. 
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Yenling83 on September 23, 2011, 10:39 PM
shows the old color
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Yenling83 on September 23, 2011, 10:41 PM
inside
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Owen Reich on September 24, 2011, 12:10 AM
Looks fake....... just kidding  ;D

Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Judy on September 24, 2011, 08:57 AM
"New" "Antique"...which is it??? Just kidding....  :D It looks big and heavy, what are the dimensions?
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: bwaynef on September 24, 2011, 03:06 PM
Yenling, where are you from again?  (Could you update your profile?)

That looks like a nice pot.  Do you have any near-term plans for it?
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: John Kirby on September 26, 2011, 08:45 AM
Sweet. He lives near Nipomo CA.
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Yenling83 on September 27, 2011, 12:38 PM
Thanks for all the replys!  The pot is 36cmx 25cm x 10cm and yes I live in Nipomo, CA. 
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: bwaynef on September 27, 2011, 01:57 PM
Any near-term plans for it?
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Yenling83 on September 27, 2011, 05:15 PM
No I don't have a tree in mind.  But I am trying to build a collection of nice pots while I build my collection of collected material, so i'm all set up for years down the road.   
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Elliott on October 07, 2011, 01:52 PM
yenling: If you like pots and you live in Nipomo, check out the emperor pot George Muranaka has. Its an old beatiful pot that has something to do with the emperor of Japan. I believe it was George's father's pot. Tell him its the one he is supposed to sell to Elliott for 30 bucks. He will get a kick out of that.
 Also, Ann erb lives in Nipomo as you probably know. I got her to do a demo for my Bonsai club-Sansui Kai wed nite and she mentioned she likes to collect pots. See if you can check out her collection.
 I have recently really started loving the pots and apreciating the old patina they get.
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: bigDave on November 26, 2011, 10:52 PM
  Tell him its the one he is supposed to sell to Elliott for 30 bucks.
Hey tortoise man whhaazzuup?

Love old pots, got a few

there are a lot of fakes coming out of China, they "age"  them in cesspools

yummy ::)
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Jerry Norbury on November 27, 2011, 07:52 AM
Nice pot - I believe I saw it for sale on eBay.
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: akeppler on November 27, 2011, 12:49 PM
Nice pot - I believe I saw it for sale on eBay.

I must have some of those because I have been told some of my pots look like crap!
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Jerry Norbury on November 27, 2011, 01:27 PM
Nice pot - I believe I saw it for sale on eBay.

I must have some of those because I have been told some of my pots look like crap!
Like...
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: GastroGnome on November 30, 2011, 07:12 PM
Very nice pot!  Ebay you say?  Yorozuen?  If so you have no need to worry about fakes, theyre some of the most reputable dealers in japan, and a very nice family too!
There are a lot of fakes coming out of China, but with a good eye it's easy to tell the difference.  There are a bunch of ways makers are patinating pots, and they all leave signs.  CessPool aged pots will have Patina that is uniform, real patina never is.  Washes and artificial coloring agents applied before or after firing leave brush marks, or if sprayed on it will be a negative image of the way patina forms naturally.
http://japanesepots.wordpress.com/ (http://japanesepots.wordpress.com/)
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Elliott on December 01, 2011, 12:45 AM
check out Peter Tea's blog. He had a great thread on old pots and how to check for actual patina VS. fake. I wanna figure out how to get calcium build up off but leave the patina. Im gonna try walnut oil. I've been told it disolves the white crusty stuff and leaves the patina.
Anybody got a better way?
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Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Dave Murphy on December 01, 2011, 06:46 AM
I've read that burying pots in soil or compost for a period of time, maybe 6-12 months, will safely remove water marks without affecting patina.  I've never tried this, though :-\.
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Owen Reich on December 01, 2011, 06:52 AM
Camellia oil will hide it but not forever.  It's sold as a hair product in Japan.  It's also good for shows.  Just use 10x less than you think you need on a rag. Otherwise it will look like you put baby oil on it...  Never tried to remove calcium build-up but I'll ask my sensei tomorrow.
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: GastroGnome on December 01, 2011, 10:19 PM
Peter Krebs reccomends soaking in Coka Cola for a couple of days and then toothbrushing with clean water.  Says it works like a charm.  Haven't tried the Method yet but there's one or two pots I need to clean this winter.
The best method is prevention!  Rubbing the pots in use down with oil(many varieties will work, even veggie!)
Every week or two will prevent limescale and improve patina!  Win win.  I have pretty hard water and used to have a real problem with buildup, but no longer!  Plus you spend a little More time with trees you may not be focused on at the moment, catch problems earlier and tweak more often.
http://japanesepots.wordpress.com/ (http://japanesepots.wordpress.com/)
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Owen Reich on December 01, 2011, 11:02 PM
I asked the expert (my teacher) and he recommended submerging the pot for a day or two in rainwater and then lightly scrub with a wire brush.  I think the coke idea sounds a bit safer though  :).
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Judy on December 02, 2011, 06:51 AM
Thanks for the info about pot cleaning, I have some trouble with calcium that vinegar has not helped with at all.  Will try the soda solution first.  I'm hesitant to try lime away, this sounds safer.  And good to know that it's preventable!
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Elliott on December 06, 2011, 12:19 AM
I guess the trick is getting off the white crusty crap but not messing with any patina developing. Do you guys think that the coca cola or the rain water soak followed by the wire brush will mess with the patina? we can always bribe someone like Kimura to say that the limescale build up is part of the patina and increases the value and beauty. I would suddenly have a million dollar Korean pot collection LOL!!
 Owen, we got plans for you here in Southern Cal. when your done, so learn allot and hurry ;) (that goes for Bjorn also).
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: rockm on December 06, 2011, 02:25 PM
Bury it in the ground or under pine mulch for the winter...
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Yenling83 on January 30, 2013, 07:25 PM
I'm going any antique Chinese pot's that I get on this thread.  Here's one I just got from Japan, I have been told it's somewhere around 80-100 years old-not sure if that makes it antique or not.  It has one drip in the glaze.  

W:25cm  x  L:14.5cm   x   H:4.5cm
Title: Re: New Antique Chinese Pot
Post by: Jerry Norbury on January 31, 2013, 06:25 PM
Very nice.