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Choosing a pot for a big black pine
« on: June 22, 2009, 02:55 PM »
Al posted a few photos of this big black pine in another thread on choosing a shoku.  There's a good post in there contrasting the look of this great tree on two separate stands, taken 3 months apart.  He didn't mention that the pot was also changed during that span.

Part of the Bonsai Intensive involves pot selection and display prep.  This is done with 3rd year students, using the skills that they have learned to help prepare for the show.  Part of this preparation often includes repotting into new/different/show pots.

There were a few options for this big tree and I managed to snap a few photos during the work.  The following photos show it's current pot (before work began), a pot it once was in, and the final choice (photo before it was wired in and finished).  What do you think, did we make the right choice?  Why or why not?
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Re: Choosing a pot for a big black pine
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 04:47 PM »
Here's Al's "before" and "after" images from the other thread.  (Thanks Al, hope you don't mind the link to your images)

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Re: Choosing a pot for a big black pine
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 05:11 PM »
Nope I don't mind at all and I would say Bravo! to who ever suggested this pot and stand combination for this tree.

I like the pot better due to the size (smaller) which gives the illusion of even a more massive trunk, and two, I think the color and shape is better for this tree. By shape I mean to say that I feel this is a more formal form and I think the pot is more formal.

The left picture of the pine with the informal pot and the informal stand with that highly stiff formal tree was so distracting...at least for me.

I have to ask...Did Scott Elsor buy a container of these pots, or did Boon?


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Re: Choosing a pot for a big black pine
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 01:24 PM »
Here was another shot I found my accident. I have no idea where it even came from. Nice stand too. Not sure on the pot. I still like the present one.
 

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Re: Choosing a pot for a big black pine
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 02:10 PM »
Very nice and muscular tree, therefore in my believes in a wrong pot. The pot its now in is not muscular enough, although it´s (as I look at it) a thick and heavy one. I would place it in a rectangular pot with outside rim or in a rectangular with big/thick edges.
I also believe that the table it´s on is too high and maybe a little too big. Too high because its almost higher than tree + pot itself. I would use a similar table but with less height. (tried too virtualize it)

Hope your not offended by my comments, I do like yr tree very much, its just the finishing touch......

Wessel
 

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Re: Choosing a pot for a big black pine
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2009, 02:18 PM »
Wessel,
It's so good to see you here. Don't worry, the tree belongs to Boon and I am certain he would be happy to see this kind of discussion about displaying it.


John, great post! I went through the same exercise several years ago, and wrote about it here.

Of course, for the exercise, Boon does not have a big stack of possible containers. The student has to go look under the bonsai benches to find ones that they might propose, then all the possibilities are worked through to find the best one. It's very educational.

Chris
 

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Re: Choosing a pot for a big black pine
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2009, 02:20 PM »
And a pot like for instance this one (it´s from Walter Palls galery www.walter-pall.de) Maybe with a little darker colour but thats up to you.
 

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Re: Choosing a pot for a big black pine
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2009, 02:48 PM »
Wessel, Nice to see you comment on this tree. I think you will find that as you spend more time looking at quality displays whether in good books like Kokufu books or visiting very good displays like Boon's annual exhibit, you would see that most bonsai are displayed on much higher stands than you may be used to seeing.

It seems that stands made in the states, or even inexpensive export stands from China tend to be much lower. Once you get used to seeing bonsai displayed with shitakusa and done correctly, the taller stand begins to make much more sense.
 

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Re: Choosing a pot for a big black pine
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2009, 10:53 PM »
I'm leaning more towards the style Wessel is talking about but yes darker.
I was surprised a rectangle wasn't offered as one of the options to start with.

The table looked off to me as well. Not sure if it was the width or hieght, just didn't fit for me. The shorter one appeared to match the strenght and stocky nature of the tree better.