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MatsuBonsai

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Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« on: October 15, 2011, 08:05 PM »
First, let me apologize for the photos.  I left the good camera at home, so these are with my iPhone.  Some appear a little distorted as I was a little jet lagged and too close when taking some of the pictures.

Dan loves his tree, and needed a new pot for this Western Juniper.  He picked up a Jim Gremel nanban that was a bit too big.  Several other pots were tried.  I was only able to get photos of two of the choices as I was busy with other things.  There were several cameras in and around throughout the week, so perhaps we can talk some others into sharing some photos?

What are your thoughts on the 2 choices below?
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2011, 09:58 PM »
Of the two choices, the round pot seems to be the obvious choice.  It could stand a LITTLE more character, but its shape seems to suit the tree better. 

The rectangle seems extremely formal and rigid for such an interesting trunk.
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2011, 10:54 PM »
I know Boon preferred the rectangular pot, but I still like the round one. By the way I can't remember Dan wearing such a awful lime green shirt like that!
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2011, 11:51 PM »
I know Boon preferred the rectangular pot, but I still like the round one. By the way I can't remember Dan wearing such a awful lime green shirt like that!
The rectangle seems extremely formal and rigid for such an interesting trunk.

Once again, I've chosen the wrong pot.  Still to my eye, I like the round.  What were Boon's reasons for preferring the rectangle?
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 12:02 AM »
seems to me something a little more rustic or irregular shaped would fit the tree better.

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 01:11 PM »
I also like the round one better.  And agree with Wayne, the rectangular pot seemed a bit formal and doesn't complement the tree, imo.  I too would like to know Boons reasoning for the rect. pot.
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 02:21 PM »
Both of these pots were really old.  I think the perspective and height that the picture was taken on the rectangle pot is a little off.  It looked better in person, but general consensus was that the round worked better.  Boon, I think, liked the rectangle better.  Another rectangle pot was tried with flat feet which was much too formal.  This rectangle, with the cloud feet, wasn't nearly as rigid and formal.

Perhaps Boon will share his thoughts, and a better picture?
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 11:17 AM »
Who, Dan is moving up in the Pot world. That old chinese round pot is amazing (I have picked that pot up and admired it many times), though I really like the old Rectgangle, it is pretty sweet as well. This tree is quite interesting, I look forward to seeing it in its new pot.

John
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 03:02 PM »
Who, Dan is moving up in the Pot world. That old chinese round pot is amazing (I have picked that pot up and admired it many times), though I really like the old Rectgangle, it is pretty sweet as well. This tree is quite interesting, I look forward to seeing it in its new pot.

John

For those of us who can't pick up that pot, can you describe what about it makes it amazing?

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2011, 04:41 PM »
Great clay, very fine, very precise construction, the patina is real, covers the entire pot, gives the feeling of great age. One point, the clay is very dense and heavy, surprisingly so. This pot just gives off a feeling of great age, not the faux age you get with modern nan-ban pots, but real age.  I have bought a few Chinese antique pots over the years, if this one was anything but round, I would have it on my shelf at home- with a tree living in it for a show every once in a while.
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2011, 08:03 PM »
Agreed.  The round pot is super heavy.  I would say it's nearly twice as heavy as you would expect.  The rectangle is extremely nice as well.  It has the feeling as if it's twice as old as the round.  No idea if that's the case or not.
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2011, 08:17 PM »
The tree appears to lend toward a Bunjin style so the round pot works better.  Will love to see what he does with the design aspect.  Depending on the styling, the pot size the tree is currently in may be better for a Bunjin.
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2011, 09:27 PM »
Sure, in the US we use round pots, you see many different types elsewhere. The rectangle is also an extremely fine pot, both came from Japan, I just don't have a specific thought about it, there were a good number of antique rectangles. But hey, based on a recent show thread, we can stop using these fancy BANZAI pots and just display the trees so they look like they pop up out of the savannah.

I like the old pots.
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2011, 03:02 AM »
Dan bought Jim Gremel's pot because he lives in Salt Lake Ctiy UT.  it is very hot in summer.  deep pot will suit him well.

for the show, i have not decided which pot will be used yet.
we all learn to use only round pot for bunjin. 
when i studied in Japan, my teachers would pick more than one pot for the tree and set it in the pot and studied how it looked in different pots.   Bonsai usually does not stay in one pot all its life.  changing it into different pot it will look different and give a different feeling.  they usually are about the same size, different shape and colors.

after i visit several shows in Japan,  i see more and more trees that do not fit the norm.  i start to do the same in classes that i teach.  we go out and look for the pot about the same size but different in shape and colors.  we are surprised how the appearance changes with different pots.

the rectangle pot is shallower and narrow.  it also has cloud feets.  these factor make it more feminine. 

we will do some touch up before the show.  we will test again and select the pot that looks the best for this tree. 
both pots are Chinese antique.  the age is about 150 yo+

the round pot is thick and heavy.  it helps to keep the tree stable.  both pots has beautiful patina.

i like both of them.  it will be hard to decide which one to use for the show.
 

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Re: Choosing a pot - Western Juniper
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2011, 11:53 AM »
I am really enjoying this thread. 

I am surprised by both sets of pots that Boon has suggested!  Mind you, I don't have any pots of that quality.

I would have thought a pot like the one I'm attaching would been correct.  This is not a fine antique pot, I bought it from Bill Valavanis about 20 years ago.  But, I would think that a nice pot in this style would complement the tree. 

That's the benefit of forums like this: old dogs like me can learn some new tricks!